My first type III

Volktales · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:29 pm Post subject:

It has been busy at work this week, so have not spent much time on the Fastback. Bobnotch is correct in that the pressure sensor installed on the car was not the proper one for this application. There were several of the proper type in the parts stash, although it seems several of them had been "diddled" with a bit. I still intend to pull the injectors and clean them first, pull the distributor and service the trigger points, and put new ignition points in. And figure out where the fuel pressure is bleeding off too as well....

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

These were two of the three manuals that came with the car. The one on the left is quite interesting and describes the operation of the injection system well. Hopefully will get some work done to the car this weekend...
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

Donnie strickland · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:28 am Post subject:

Hey, an Elfrink manual! Nice score!
_________________
71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback

Volktales · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject:

Had a little bit more time to fiddle with the Fastback today. Pulled out the distributor to replace the points and condenser. Found an old stock German condenser that was more original then the generic replacement the car came with. Pulled out the trigger points and found that the eccentric had fair amount of rust from sitting. Had to use some fine sandpaper to clean that up. One of the trigger points was a bit gooey, but not burnt. Cleaned it off well, lubricated the rubbing blocks and reinstalled. The vacuum can worked and the centrifugal weights moved OK. There was not any play in the distributor bearings, and the fibre washers were still intact!

See the rust in there? Yuck.

Then it was time to move on to the injectors. The car came with 8 spares, but I decided to check the ones that were installed. Removed cylinders 1 and 2 injectors and checked the screens. They were very clean, as was the fuel rail itself. Decided to hook up the injectors directly to a battery and blow a hose full of cleaner through them.

This worked well and showed that they were already clean anyway. Kind of hard to time the picture however, so the visible amount of liquid coming out doesn't look like much... Both of these injectors were clean. We re hooked them up to the fuel rail with new hoses and seals. As there was not enough time to check/clean injectors 3 and 4, we decided to just check the operation of 1 and 2 in the car. The ignition was deactivated, and the engine cranked. An alternating pulsing of the two injectors showed the trigger points were working properly, and the level of fuel atomization looked alright. What was not alright was the quantity of fuel coming out. The engine was cold, and it was obvious not enough fuel was being injected. The pressure was rechecked, and still showed 28 psi, although this still bleeds off too quick when the engine stops. The underlying problem is a lack of fuel, so more checks will be performed next time... Until then I managed to pick up another manual locally...

Not too bad, but the Elfrink Injection manual is my favourite so far...
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

68notch · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:32 pm Post subject:

Really nice find. So nice to have all the parts and very little to do really.

Sounds just like my own 68 diamond blue notch, also resprayed and not quite the right shade. But not quite as nice a find as this one though.
_________________
John

68 Aussie notch
2011 Citroen Berlingo

https://www.facebook.com/Fastacraft

RHD dash pad project http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=475227

Volktales · Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:38 pm Post subject:

Spent a bit more time on the Fastback... All fuel hoses have finally been replaced; the left bank injectors have been cleaned and tested, and reinstalled with new seals. I also was given a new head sensor by a friend, so this was installed too. Discovered that the computer has been replaced by the previous owner, with one from a later model. Swapped out one of the original correct items that came with the car. Did it work? Of course not! Nothing I have done so far has improved the lean running. Next up is to test all sensor readings at the computer connection itself... Are we having fun yet???

Found this old fortune cookie stuffed in the rear ashtray. I am not sure if this bodes well for this car... Very Happy

Went to a friend's place this weekend who has a rather large stash of parts... Found a rubber boot I was missing, got a few more injection parts, and some gauges to use for parts... Also some non-cracked taillights as well.

Also a different friend who has a knack for finding stuff at thrift stores came up with this...

Will look good in a new coat of Diamond Blue...

Hope to find more time this weekend to get the Fasty running. I really want to drive it!!!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

Volktales · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:57 pm Post subject:

It's ALIVE!!! After a lot of trials and tribulations, the fastback finally is running well. I had decided to check everything before jumping to any conclusions and parts swapping. Testing the various power sources and resistance values at the computer plug in revealed some issues with the injector resistance. Not surprisingly it was not the injectors themselves, but the grounds and wire terminals were at fault. I made some new ground sources for the injectors (originals will be reinstated in the future). The injector terminals were removed from the plugs and tweaked in order to fit tighter. The rest of the harness was not brittle so will be left alone for now. The actual cause of the lean condition was the pressure sensor. The one on the car passed a vacuum test, and the windings checked out OK. It certainly did not work in practice. A friend gave me a very crusty oily example and it worked perfectly! Anyway it is nice to know that everything else was checked over anyway...

Back at home now, spent the day scrubbing the remaining ick from the body. It is nice to have it on the road once again! I have only ever driven a couple of Type IIIs before, and they were both cars at the very ends of their lives. This one drives beautifully, with a smooth quiet ride, with decent power. I think I am a Type III convert!!!

Those front fenders really let down an otherwise nicely preserved car. We are thinking of refinishing the replacement fenders, and try to sympathetically match the paint for now. The end result will still be a full restoration, but it would be nice to enjoy it as is for a while. What do you guys think???

I found this inspection tag under the paint code sticker while trying to fix the hood release mechanism today. Had to put a hose clamp on the hood cable conduit as the lever in the glovebox was losing its grip, thus not pulling the cable far enough to release. Seems to be OK now. Tomorrow I will repaint the guage bezels, and have already replaced the horn ring and button. The generator needs some attention to the brush holders before I start daily driving it for the summer. The other owner intends to replace the seat covers with those that came with the car, and this will improve things considerably...

I just want to say thanks for all the information about Type IIIs on The Samba that I have read recently. The D-jet sticky in particular helped out a lot with troubleshooting the car's problems and thanks is given to all those who took the time to write that information... Now off to go cruising again!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

Donnie strickland · Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:15 am Post subject:

Very nice! Now the two of you will have to work out a joint custody arrangement or you'll be fighting over who gets to drive it! Laughing

_________________
71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback

Bobnotch · Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject:

Volktales · Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:56 pm Post subject:

The fastback at our local club meeting parked next to the other owner's 1985 Bombardier Iltis. The Canadian military once owned a lot of this model... In Fastback news, I have been using this as my daily driver everyday for the last two weeks. I have enjoyed every minute too! Despite the car's less then perfect appearance, it has received many thumbs up from other road users. None of these cars are left on the road around here and they really do stand out... I have now painted the replacement gauge bezels and am waiting for the other owner to repair the small crack in the replacement dash pad. The gauges will be repaired at the same time. Other then an intermittent fuel gauge, everything else is going well. The seats will be repaired this summer too. I will update with more pictures when the dash goes in. Until then, more driving!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

VWDog · Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 10:25 pm Post subject:

Okay, I did get around to repairing the dash….The dash was cracked along the RHS of the speaker perforations. There was actual material missing between the holes so I had to use some sort of black glue with filler, and preferably one that is flexible when cured. Lately I have been using a bunch of Sikaflex 291 and being able to adhere to most things but flexible when cured seemed to fit the bill. I had no idea of whether or not this would work, but I thought I'd give it a go.

Here is the dash with the break cleaned/dried and taped off

Thought these finish nails, coated in silicone might work to keep the holes open as the Sikaflex cannot be drilled once set and I don't have a punch that could be used.

Open up the crack and get some goop in there

Insert the nails after it is smoothed off

Had to weight it to get the proper shape

Let the Sika cure well.

Twist the nails to break any bond they had to the Sika

Cut off any excess

Not bad…

_________________

1970 Lotus White Single Cab 2015- , 1979 Sage Green 2014-2015, 1978 Dakota Beige Westy 2012-2015, 1978 Neptune Blue Riviera 2012-2017 , 1970 Neptune Blue Bus 2010-2012, 1970 Deluxe Savannah Beige 2010-2012, 1985 Iltis 2010- , 1962 Single Cab 2010-2013, 1975 Brasilia? Bay/Split Kombi from Brazil 2008-2011, 1985 DoKa 1999-2009, 1971 Bus 1999-2000, 1968 Double Cab 1991-1998, 1965 Ghia 1987-1991, 1970 Westfalia-bought by Mum and Dad in 1970, sold by me in 1993 why-oh-why :_(

oxsign · Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 10:30 am Post subject:

Wow great job with that.
_________________
1971 Squareback, fully bagged, 1776.
Build thread here.....
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0

W1K1 · Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 10:30 am Post subject:

Now you can vinyl dye it and it will look like new. Mine lasted 3 years and then the crack moved over a few holes.
_________________
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php

1973 super
1965 squareback 1500E
1971 bay window westy- subi swap

VWDog · Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 12:14 pm Post subject:

Volktales · Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:19 pm Post subject:

Time to tackle the dash and instruments...

Given that the dashboard is what you see when actually driving the car, I wanted to restore it as soon as possible. The before picture shows the badly cracked dash-pad, and very rusty gauge bezels. First step was to remove the securing screws and grab handle nuts for the pad...

All of you Type III people will laugh, but removing those gauges sucked really bad for someone who has not done this before. Releasing those "tangs" was an effort in frustration!!! The clock came out easily, but I think I took a few months off my life getting out the other two! I am seldom a "butcher", when I work, but made an exception and broke away the old damaged dash-pad so I could get a better grip on the speedo and fuel gauge to release them. Not high on the fun factor...

The old speedo finally out. See that crack in the left of the lens? I didn't do that but I can guarantee that the mechanic who changed the dash bulbs back in March of 1971 did it while attempting to desperately pry out the speedometer...

Much better. Different refinished bezels, and a good lens from a parts speedometer... The other gauges were also given this treatment. The clock refused to work at all on the bench, so was replaced with a spare that seemed to work just fine...

Back in, and tested before seating fully!

The replacement dash fully repaired by the other owner looks very nice installed. This was from an earlier car then our '69, and required modification to allow the grab handle to fit properly. Note the lack of the VIN number on the pad. We saved it but have decided not to rivet it to the new pad.

Played with the radio too. The original dealer installation was very sloppy, with poor alignment and obvious lack of care and effort. The light was never even hooked up. VW probably paid the flat rate mechanics very little to do this job, and the lack of quality shows. If I had picked up my brand new car and saw that job, I know I would have been pissed!

Getting the dash lights to work properly would have required a new switch. The dimmer resistor was lying under the switch in little broken coils. I elected to directly wire it via the parklights. This works fine except you can no longer dim the lights. Not a big deal to me. Anyway I am happy this job is done as at least the parts of the car I can see while driving look better now! As the insurance has expired on my daily driver, it is all commuting by Type III now everyday. Looking forward to it!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

Volktales · Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:51 pm Post subject:

Next up, fixing the fuel gauge...

The gauge had been erratic in operation. It seemed to work most of the time at first, but once the tank was filled it went to full for about a minute then dropped to zero and seldom woke up again. Grounding the wire showed the gauge was fine, so into the sender I went... First problem was the outer cylinder shaped covering was stuck solid into the housing. I stumbled on another thread in the bay window bus section about the same type gauge problem. Busdaddy suggested bolting the sender upside down on the tank to get a secure grip on the cylinder. This worked great.

As per the same thread (which I forgot what the name was), I drilled a small hole through the housing and directly added a ground wire to the ground ring shown in the picture. This worked perfectly and the gauge has been reliable ever since. I had originally bought a new sender from CIP but instead of the promised VDO part, it was generic white box crap that arrived. I am glad the original was salvageable...

The only other issue to have cropped up was the turn signal flasher relay started malfunctioning and the brake lights quit. The flasher relay needed its rusty terminals cleaned up to restore function. The terminals where plated metal and were rusting under the plating. Lots of filing fixed this. The brake lights failing to work were a switch issue. One switch had failed, and the other had lost power to it. Jumpering to the second switch restored operation. Incidentally the Bentley fails to show the wiring for the 1968/69 3 two-prong switches...

Anyway all is good once again. The car has been my daily driver for two months now, and has passed its first 1000 plus kilometers without incident. It has travelled more in the last two months then it did in the previous 15 years... And it is still fun!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

Volktales · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:39 pm Post subject:

Just an update to let everyone know the Fastback is now off the road, safe inside a garage for the winter. I managed to drive it pretty much everyday for a total of six months. Just under 3000 km was added to the odometer with complete reliability. The only real issue was one brake started binding, which was resolved by changing the flex hoses. These were intended to be replaced BEFORE driving the car, but you know how things go... Once the car runs, you just want to start cruising in it... No work is intended for the next six months as it sits, because myself and the other owner have other projects that must be completed first before more Type III fun. Replacing the rusty front fenders will be the first project when revisited. Then hopefully the rotting seat covers. Then we will see what is next... Now I have to get my Ghia running, and the other owner has to finish his vintage TUGBOAT project!!!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

VWDog · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:29 am Post subject:

Volktales · Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: My first type III

It's baaaaaaack!

Reinsured and immediately pressed into service as the daily driver for the next six months. Everything is fine after all the work performed last year. Those rusty fenders are letting the car down, and something needs to be done about that, but other projects still must be completed first. For now I intend to enjoy the Type 3 ride!!!
_________________
1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
1966 and 1965 Monza 2022-

stonecoldcars · Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:54 am Post subject: Re: My first type III

Nice work..
_________________
My build thread(The desert Rat). http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=653395


Hello! Log in or Register \| Help \| Donate \| Buy Shirts	See all banner ads \| Advertise on TheSamba.com

	Forum Index -> Type 3	All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time Page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Page 2 of 4