Author |
Message |
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:31 pm Post subject: Barndoor vs. regular frame rails |
|
|
Hi all, I am wondering if there is a difference between 55-67 and 49-55 frame rails (i.e. shape or other characteristics)? My friend has a pair of rails that I might use to build a franken- barndoor out of cut parts.
Thanks, James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
EmpiGT Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 2597
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Front half rails are way different. No way to use late to modify into barndoor. The rear half could be modified or even better if they are wolfsburg built. But you still would need the end castings of the torsion bar housing. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ok, next question then. How do I get in touch with Gerson to make me a complete 52-55 chassis? Ive tried emailing him and he never replies.
James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
EmpiGT Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 2597
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think Gerson must be really busy right now. I've been having trouble hearing back from him too. After 3 weeks I finally did. What are you planning on building? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I am either trying to find a barndoor that needs work (making it moderately affordable) or a bullet split window. I have had one person contact me, and the bus is a south american pile... ill p/m you and elaborate... I think I'm going to resort to building one _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
EmpiGT Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 2597
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Take a look in the today in bus hunting thread. A guy just found a heavily butchered barny and you can see the front frame rails. Maybe see if he wants to sale. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Where? Just looked and can't find it. _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
Is there a difference in the way barndoor beams mount? Are they similar to beetle beams?
James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
Also, Is there a difference in mounting between barndoor cargo doors and High hinge 55-61 cargo doors?
James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Brian_1952 Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2005 Posts: 700
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
You shouldn't waste your time trying to build the barndoor out of nothing but this is what it looks like on how the front beam mounts
_________________ (20-024785)Ambulance (20-037784)truck (20-035850)panel
(20-035778)kombi
WANTED 52 parts and NOS sheet-metal |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ohhhhh ok i get it now. Yeah, I wasn't really planning on it, but if I can ever find the balls I might buy a crappy one and try my hand at it.
James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2179 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
If you want to buy, build or make a BD you will have to get much deeper into it and read through lots of topics on this forum. Most all the information is here. Barndoors are very different from later buses except for the 56/7 Wolfsburg buses there nearly isn't a single thing the same !
Building, making, owning and driving Barndoors is very much a labor of love and affection. you got to learn to know every single part. _________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Ive been talking to the owner of the 53 shorty for sale.
I think it could be an "affordable" way for me to get into it without faking a barndoor. It doesn't have a chassis #, but has the body stamp and I contacted Stiffung to find out if there is a way to cross reference the chassis number. It seems like all of the hard to find stuff is there. Has anyone ever seen a MPH barndoor speedo like the one shown? Thanks for helping me out, Im sure Ive been a pain in the ass but its better to ask than assume.
djfordmanjack wrote: |
If you want to buy, build or make a BD you will have to get much deeper into it and read through lots of topics on this forum. Most all the information is here. Barndoors are very different from later buses except for the 56/7 Wolfsburg buses there nearly isn't a single thing the same !
Building, making, owning and driving Barndoors is very much a labor of love and affection. you got to learn to know every single part. |
Im quickly seeing this as I try to find simple things like wiring diagrams, lights and gas tanks.
James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Is there a way to get a chassis number besides the two standard areas. I know that I have a body number, but the areas that would have a chassis number are gone. Is there one on the torsion housing or frame?
James _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
|
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
vwbusman66 wrote: |
Is there a way to get a chassis number besides the two standard areas. I know that I have a body number, but the areas that would have a chassis number are gone. Is there one on the torsion housing or frame?
James |
No but if I remember right, some Buses have the last few digits of the VIN # on the seat brackets up front or the front window frames.
Front window frames may be much earlier than 1953.
Quote: |
Has anyone ever seen a MPH barndoor speedo like the one shown |
On the shorty truck? That is a normal MPH speedo for a '53.
His pic
_________________ How to Post Photos
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints"
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vwbusman66 Samba Member
Joined: May 17, 2014 Posts: 386 Location: Kingsville, MD
|
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yeah, on the truck. On Barndoor.dk, it only shows kph speedos, but that might be because Tonny is not from the land of strange measurements. _________________ WANTED: Annis Morrill Corp. dealer information and stuff
1958 L53 Pressed Bumper Panel
1973 Wild Westerner
Click to view image |
|
Back to top |
|
|
EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69829 Location: Phoenix Metro
|
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
EverettB wrote: |
vwbusman66 wrote: |
Is there a way to get a chassis number besides the two standard areas. I know that I have a body number, but the areas that would have a chassis number are gone. Is there one on the torsion housing or frame?
James |
No but if I remember right, some Buses have the last few digits of the VIN # on the seat brackets up front or the front window frames.
|
Unfortunately I must have been remembering this incorrectly as my '55 does not match my VIN #.
My '55 seat stand area says 206 but my VIN # does not end in 206:
_________________ How to Post Photos
Everett Barnes - [email protected] | My wanted ads
"Water is the only drink for a wise man" | "Communication prevents complaints"
Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|