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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:11 pm    Post subject: Bonhams auction for 46 Split - does anyone know this car? Reply with quote

This current auction listing by Bonhams for a 46 Split just caught my attention. They say it is one of only two such cars in the U.S. Does this seem right to you and does anyone know this car?

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22717/lot/270/
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that car is a mess.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yustrn wrote:
that car is a mess.


It is nowhere near to perfection.
But I would not call it a mess.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1-061937 on the tag
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patsey77 wrote:
1-061937 on the tag


So? That is a ´46 number.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its off the 46 Chipperry asked about that is going to be auctioned off.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

usariemen wrote:

It is nowhere near to perfection.
But I would not call it a mess.


agreed.

appears to be on an original/period correct pan with a lovely 25hp motor sporting some nice items. also noticed the correct early lever shocks in the rear and from what i could see the correct front beam with shocks. among other things.

if it's not loaded with bondo that would be an awesome base for a resto.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you usariemen for your insights. I'm curious about this car and its background - I find the very early VWs and their history very fascinating.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would even say that it's a fairly nice car, considering that it has left the factory in 1946 Surprised
If you would go over to the Volkswagen factory museum, then you might notice lots of "incorrect" parts on their earliest car, go figure. Iwould not date calling those cars a mess Razz
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the engine case is at least after '54. It has the boss to screw on the oil filler. Still 25hp heads and tin at least.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say that's a bad car at all. If it's matching chassis and body, that's a big bonus and everything is fixable. How often do you get the opportunity to buy a 1945-47 car?
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ivan Fuller wrote:
I think the engine case is at least after '54. It has the boss to screw on the oil filler. Still 25hp heads and tin at least.


The engine case has no numbers stamped on it so it is a replacement case. Looks like it aluminum though. The heads are definitely 25hp.

The bottom half of the carb looks to be a sand cast version.

The car was bright red at some point. You can see spots where the green paint had chipped off and you can see a long line of red on the left hand side where the engine compartment rubber gasket channel is. You can also see a lot of the same red behind the dash. I have a book from probably 20 years ago that has a bright red '46 in it. I
wonder if this is the same car.

Looks like someone hacked up the stamped VW blank pod to mount a radio at some point and there is definitely some funkiness going on with the wiring and all of the added switches.


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It has the original shoeboxes but the linkage is missing.

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Front apron has issues and there is a small dent in the hood.

Not exactly a concourse paint job. It has the correct door hinges so the doors are correct and the fenders look right to me. Incorrect bumpers and semiphores and a few bits here and there.

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Overall, not a bad car. It has some issues but it is a '46.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

splitjunkie wrote:

The car was bright red at some point. You can see spots where the green paint had chipped off and you can see a long line of red on the left hand side where the engine compartment rubber gasket channel is. You can also see a lot of the same red behind the dash. I have a book from probably 20 years ago that has a bright red '46 in it. I
wonder if this is the same car.



Yep, I'm pretty sure it's the same car that has been given a quick coat of Olive Green paint.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love the part at the end when they claim there may be only 2 in america Laughing hell mark merrill has 2 ! most of the existing ones ended up here. there is at least 20 in the split registry in the states.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the part about the 25% buyers premium.
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RichOakley wrote:
splitjunkie wrote:

The car was bright red at some point. You can see spots where the green paint had chipped off and you can see a long line of red on the left hand side where the engine compartment rubber gasket channel is. You can also see a lot of the same red behind the dash. I have a book from probably 20 years ago that has a bright red '46 in it. I
wonder if this is the same car.



Yep, I'm pretty sure it's the same car that has been given a quick coat of Olive Green paint.


The book was from '91 and called Great Cars of the 20th Century. It doesn't appear to be the same car. The one in the book has at least an incorrect passenger door and a different but correct speedo pod but with a later vw ignition switch and has a 36hp engine. The dash also hasn't been hacked up. Could be the same car and someone replaced a lot of incorrect parts with correct parts but given the level of detail on this green car that wouldn't make sense.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:47 pm    Post subject: 46 info Reply with quote

If anyone on here is planning to bid on this car, I can share some info/pics of my 46 restorations if it will help you.

if you search in the gallery I had posted some pics already but I have a lot more...

for reference my VINs/engine # are 61254 / 87057 and 61320 / 87123.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That car has been on my radar for over 10 years now. I crawled all over it in 2003 (I think) and have a bunch of pics. It has a lot of merits, but a ton of issues that overshadow it. It is a classic amateur restoration.

The real issue is the way it is being listed/presented. Very sloppy description and "estimated" to fetch what even a decently restored '46 would. It isn't even close. Totally discredits the Auction house and may very well mislead the uninformed buyer. As we often see with Barrett Jackson and the like, these cars often go to people with more money than brains. I don't mean that as an insult, but if you don't research what you are buying and investigate it thoroughly... I have no sympathy.

I would always view, and value a car like that as "restoration base", not a driveable '46 (I'd be embarrassed). I'd value it in the $20k-$30k range, but that is nothing more than my own opinion.

I am considering going down to the auction just to experience it. For $40 it might be worth the entertainment value.... and not have to fear that the auction closed at $11,500 and I wasn't there.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some pics I took of the car. Not sure where the taillights are from, but they don't look like VW. The heaterboxes are '51-'57 style.

25% buyers premium to Bohnam's is hilarious, as is the paper that was in the window when I looked at the car (below).

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually buyers premium for cars is 10%. 25% is for automobila and collectibles.
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