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chipperry Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2014 Posts: 8 Location: Atlanta GA
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:11 pm Post subject: Bonhams auction for 46 Split - does anyone know this car? |
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This current auction listing by Bonhams for a 46 Split just caught my attention. They say it is one of only two such cars in the U.S. Does this seem right to you and does anyone know this car?
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22717/lot/270/ |
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Yustrn JHC Controla
Joined: August 01, 2000 Posts: 5478 Location: Ovaland, CA
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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that car is a mess. _________________ I own a copy of "The Car of the Century" by Garwood. This means I am authorized to act like a twat in thesamba forums. |
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yustrn wrote: |
that car is a mess. |
It is nowhere near to perfection.
But I would not call it a mess. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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patsey77 Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2011 Posts: 59 Location: glastonbury ct
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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1-061937 on the tag |
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usariemen Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1745 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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patsey77 wrote: |
1-061937 on the tag |
So? That is a ´46 number. _________________ Master of my domain! |
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patsey77 Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2011 Posts: 59 Location: glastonbury ct
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Its off the 46 Chipperry asked about that is going to be auctioned off. |
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a1steaksauce Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2010 Posts: 612
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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usariemen wrote: |
It is nowhere near to perfection.
But I would not call it a mess. |
agreed.
appears to be on an original/period correct pan with a lovely 25hp motor sporting some nice items. also noticed the correct early lever shocks in the rear and from what i could see the correct front beam with shocks. among other things.
if it's not loaded with bondo that would be an awesome base for a resto. |
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chipperry Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2014 Posts: 8 Location: Atlanta GA
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Thank you usariemen for your insights. I'm curious about this car and its background - I find the very early VWs and their history very fascinating. |
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I would even say that it's a fairly nice car, considering that it has left the factory in 1946
If you would go over to the Volkswagen factory museum, then you might notice lots of "incorrect" parts on their earliest car, go figure. Iwould not date calling those cars a mess _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
.... if it ain't dutch, it ain't much! |
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Ivan Fuller Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2005 Posts: 149 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 8:44 am Post subject: |
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I think the engine case is at least after '54. It has the boss to screw on the oil filler. Still 25hp heads and tin at least. |
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1108 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 10:58 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't say that's a bad car at all. If it's matching chassis and body, that's a big bonus and everything is fixable. How often do you get the opportunity to buy a 1945-47 car? _________________ 1947 Beetle
1956 RHD Karmann Cabrio
1956 RHD Beetle
1957 RHD Pitt-Moto Type 2 Camper
1959 RHD Beetle
1966 RHD Type 3 Fastback
1976 RHD Sun Beetle |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4083
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Ivan Fuller wrote: |
I think the engine case is at least after '54. It has the boss to screw on the oil filler. Still 25hp heads and tin at least. |
The engine case has no numbers stamped on it so it is a replacement case. Looks like it aluminum though. The heads are definitely 25hp.
The bottom half of the carb looks to be a sand cast version.
The car was bright red at some point. You can see spots where the green paint had chipped off and you can see a long line of red on the left hand side where the engine compartment rubber gasket channel is. You can also see a lot of the same red behind the dash. I have a book from probably 20 years ago that has a bright red '46 in it. I
wonder if this is the same car.
Looks like someone hacked up the stamped VW blank pod to mount a radio at some point and there is definitely some funkiness going on with the wiring and all of the added switches.
It has the original shoeboxes but the linkage is missing.
Front apron has issues and there is a small dent in the hood.
Not exactly a concourse paint job. It has the correct door hinges so the doors are correct and the fenders look right to me. Incorrect bumpers and semiphores and a few bits here and there.
Overall, not a bad car. It has some issues but it is a '46. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1108 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
The car was bright red at some point. You can see spots where the green paint had chipped off and you can see a long line of red on the left hand side where the engine compartment rubber gasket channel is. You can also see a lot of the same red behind the dash. I have a book from probably 20 years ago that has a bright red '46 in it. I
wonder if this is the same car.
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Yep, I'm pretty sure it's the same car that has been given a quick coat of Olive Green paint. _________________ 1947 Beetle
1956 RHD Karmann Cabrio
1956 RHD Beetle
1957 RHD Pitt-Moto Type 2 Camper
1959 RHD Beetle
1966 RHD Type 3 Fastback
1976 RHD Sun Beetle |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2005 Posts: 1293 Location: south san francisco
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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i love the part at the end when they claim there may be only 2 in america hell mark merrill has 2 ! most of the existing ones ended up here. there is at least 20 in the split registry in the states. _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG |
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spookymulder Samba Proletariat
Joined: January 02, 2004 Posts: 3298 Location: I'm either at 95608, 97537 or 94708 only my CPA knows for sure
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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I like the part about the 25% buyers premium. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4083
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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RichOakley wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
The car was bright red at some point. You can see spots where the green paint had chipped off and you can see a long line of red on the left hand side where the engine compartment rubber gasket channel is. You can also see a lot of the same red behind the dash. I have a book from probably 20 years ago that has a bright red '46 in it. I
wonder if this is the same car.
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Yep, I'm pretty sure it's the same car that has been given a quick coat of Olive Green paint. |
The book was from '91 and called Great Cars of the 20th Century. It doesn't appear to be the same car. The one in the book has at least an incorrect passenger door and a different but correct speedo pod but with a later vw ignition switch and has a 36hp engine. The dash also hasn't been hacked up. Could be the same car and someone replaced a lot of incorrect parts with correct parts but given the level of detail on this green car that wouldn't make sense. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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qwerty Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2004 Posts: 337
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject: 46 info |
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If anyone on here is planning to bid on this car, I can share some info/pics of my 46 restorations if it will help you.
if you search in the gallery I had posted some pics already but I have a lot more...
for reference my VINs/engine # are 61254 / 87057 and 61320 / 87123.
Mark |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9359 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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That car has been on my radar for over 10 years now. I crawled all over it in 2003 (I think) and have a bunch of pics. It has a lot of merits, but a ton of issues that overshadow it. It is a classic amateur restoration.
The real issue is the way it is being listed/presented. Very sloppy description and "estimated" to fetch what even a decently restored '46 would. It isn't even close. Totally discredits the Auction house and may very well mislead the uninformed buyer. As we often see with Barrett Jackson and the like, these cars often go to people with more money than brains. I don't mean that as an insult, but if you don't research what you are buying and investigate it thoroughly... I have no sympathy.
I would always view, and value a car like that as "restoration base", not a driveable '46 (I'd be embarrassed). I'd value it in the $20k-$30k range, but that is nothing more than my own opinion.
I am considering going down to the auction just to experience it. For $40 it might be worth the entertainment value.... and not have to fear that the auction closed at $11,500 and I wasn't there. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9359 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Here's some pics I took of the car. Not sure where the taillights are from, but they don't look like VW. The heaterboxes are '51-'57 style.
25% buyers premium to Bohnam's is hilarious, as is the paper that was in the window when I looked at the car (below).
_________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9359 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Actually buyers premium for cars is 10%. 25% is for automobila and collectibles. _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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