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Syncronoid Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: Stanford, CA and Bend, OR
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 10:05 pm Post subject: Speedometer slow after new locking front diff installed. |
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'90 Syncro Westy. 16" wheels.
I just had a rebuilt locking front diff installed (rebuilt with 4.86 R&P, formerly a 5.83 R&P). This locking front diff was imported by Autostadt in Sacramento and rebuilt by GTA.
I started out from the shop today after the install and noticed the speedometer was slow and it dawned on me they hadn't swapped the speedo sensor from my old, stock, US, non-locking diff. So, I went back and they swapped the speedo sensor. However, while putting it in, we noticed that the speedo sensor from my old non-locking diff was larger (more teeth) than the speedo sensor that came out of the new european locker (19 teeth). We put it in anyway and now my speedometer is still slow (maybe even slower), about 20% slow. I estimated using the RPM's. I usually would be at 65mph at 3500-3600 RPM's, where as now I am only reading 55mph at the same RPM's. This leads me to believe that the gear inside the front locking diff used to spin the speedo sensor must be smaller than the one in my old non-locker. Does anyone have experience with these???
Is there something inside this imported locking diff that causes the speedometer to show slower while using both the European speedo sensor AND the the speedo sensor from my old non-locker????? _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12007 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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There is the speedometer drive gear in the front diff that turns the speedometer drive that should have been swapped for the 4.86 version when the build was done. Swapping the speedometer drive with a mismatched drive gear will strip out the plastic teeth of the speedometer drive.
Example of the drive gear and the speedo drive.
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Syncrozilla Samba Member
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Syncronoid Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that!! _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:19 am Post subject: |
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The difference between a 4.86 and a 5.83 gear ratios is almost exactly 20%.
Since you started and ended up with a 4.86 with no tire size change and there speed reading is off the same as the gearing ratios it has to be that drive gear. I would talk to the builder about the issue. |
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Syncronoid Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: Stanford, CA and Bend, OR
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
The difference between a 4.86 and a 5.83 gear ratios is almost exactly 20%.
Since you started and ended up with a 4.86 with no tire size change and there speed reading is off the same as the gearing ratios it has to be that drive gear. I would talk to the builder about the issue. |
....and the original speedo sensor from the locking diff is dark brown (094409181H 7/19 Dark BROWN). _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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The speedometer drive gears in the diff have either 7, 8 or 9 teeth, what do you have? Using a 8/19 on a 7 tooth speedo drive gear will strip it. |
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Syncronoid Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
The speedometer drive gears in the diff have either 7, 8 or 9 teeth, what do you have? Using a 8/19 on a 7 tooth speedo drive gear will strip it. |
I'm pretty sure it's this.... 094409181B 8/19 WHITE (standard for all North America, all of which were 4.86) . _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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That is the plastic toothed gear assembly that the speedometer cable attaches to not the gear in the diff. |
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Syncronoid Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
That is the plastic toothed gear assembly that the speedometer cable attaches to not the gear in the diff. |
I suspect the speedo drive gear was not change with the 4.86 conversion and I still have the 7. Should have been changed to an 8. I will speak with the builder. _________________ '90 Syncro Westy w/GW2.5L |
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