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Double7Westy Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2015 Posts: 38 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:57 pm Post subject: Emergency brake/ rear brake adjustment help |
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I used the search function to try to get my answer to this question but didn't see anything with pictures or detailed steps and my bentley manual hasn't come in so I was hoping someone could help me as the idea of my bus rolling down the hill is less than appealing and Id like to fix it.
Basically I pull my handbrake all the way out and it still doesn't hold the whole bus. The general consensus i can see from searching is that the rear brakes need to be adjusted before doing this to get optimum results.
Anyone have any advice or pictures they could help me out with?
I was hoping I'd be able to tackle this issue in a couple hours tomorrow morning.
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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adjust the rear brakes first and see if that helps. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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often the star adjusters need some TLC
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51149 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Adding the year of your bus as well as the model and any pertinant modifications to your signature line would make helping you much easier _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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oscarsnapkin Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2013 Posts: 558 Location: Bucks County, PA
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm having a similar problem. I replaced both brake cables, cleaned/lubed adjusters, adjusted brakes, adjusted cable tension, but still absolutely no parking brake whatsoever. There is some tension now when I pull the lever, but it does absolutely nothing as far as holding the Bus. The shoes that are on the Bus are old, but still have plenty of lining. Parking brake lever and spreader seem to be in working order. Any thoughts? It's a major PITA since my driveway is on an incline and I have to reach out the driver's door and place a chock behind the wheel while making sure my foot doesn't slip off the brake pedal. I grabbed this photo from one of Aeromech's posts. Is this the correct setup for a '77? I wanted to compare it to mine to make sure everything is installed properly. Thanks, and happy 4th.
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jmstu76 Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 1227 Location: Edmond Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:20 am Post subject: |
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That is not a pic of a 77. That would be a 70 or earlier. _________________ James
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1967250s Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2007 Posts: 2137
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Check the cables are not frozen in the rear tubes. Also, you may have to tighten up the cables up front, where they connect to the puller rods. _________________ '72 Elm Green Deluxe |
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wihr Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 344 Location: PORTLAND, OR
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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What about the adjusters at the base of the arm inside the cabin ? _________________ WIHR
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mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 2743 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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That rear hub picture looks like my late-73 bus . Or close enough.
The handbrake cable adjusters are under the front of the bus on later handbrakes.
The trick is to slacken the handbrake cables fully then adjust the star adjusters on the rear drums so the shoes are just touching (procedure in Bentley and other places) and then readjust the handbrake cables so the handle comes out 7 clicks and the handbrake is on.
If the handbrake cables are rusted they may simply lose strands and unwind in a shower of rusty strands of wire when you pull on the handbrake, instead of putting tension on the brake shoes.
It is also possible the brake shoes are glazed and need some sand paper treatment to roughen their surface. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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1977 lacks this clip that holds the spring to the bar. The ones available for other years do not fit.
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3899 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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oscarsnapkin wrote: |
. . . adjusted cable tension, but still absolutely no parking brake whatsoever. |
An essential part of the parking brake cable tension procedure is ensuring that the parking brake works to spec. So no, the cable tension has NOT been adjusted.
On a side note, the brake assembly shown in the photo posted seems to have Vanagon brake shoes, without the auto-adjuster stuff. Such shoes were (and perhaps are)
being sold mistakenly as late bay brake shoes by many vendors. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2205 Location: seattle
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:52 pm Post subject: Emergency brake /rear brake adjustment help |
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If you have fresh cables, I would think you aren't adjusting the stars
tight enough, I like to leave the wheel/tire on, get under and snug the
stars up til I can just get the tire to move, dragging on the drum a bit,
then two clicks per star & check the wheel spins "freely", lower the bus to
the ground and mess with the other ends of the cables, tighten them
til the handle grabs good at 5 clicks out. It settles at 6-7 clicks within days. |
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