Clutch Recommendations

akear · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:23 pm Post subject: Clutch Recommendations

Clutch went out; started slipping. Its not the cable or adjustment as I have free play. Going to order a new kit but not sure whats best. Car is a stock '70. I see BusDepot has a Sachs Brazil complete kit (disc, pressure plate, TO bearing) with spring disc for $110, which seems like a very good deal. They also have a Sachs rigid disk kit for $132. Which one? Or something else? Don't want to skimp on parts but also don't want overkill or to sacrifice smooth operation. Thanks.

danielsan · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:43 pm Post subject:

This is a question like oil -- everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks their opinion is correct. My answer -- on a stock engine go for a sachs spring loaded disc. If you often shift on hills often go for a sach pressure plate and a 'super disc'. If you have a huge engine go for a bus pressure plate and a super disc.

http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1359

The super disc lasts much longer but I prefer the feel of the spring loaded. And, when my rigid disc gives out I will switch back to spring load.

Confused? When in doubt, go stock.

akear · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:14 pm Post subject:

Okay, with 1 vote in I'm going with the Sachs spring loaded disc kit. I've found cheaper stock kits -- and also more expensive ones -- that don't say what brand. I do want to know what I'm buying. I'm still curious why people choose the rigid disc over spring. Or maybe you shouldn't with a stock set-up? From what I've gathered the spring disc is smoother but I'm still not sure why to pick one vs the other.

danielsan · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:54 pm Post subject:

Partially it is you like what you like. When I jump from a rigid disc vw to spring loaded vw it takes me a few shifts to adjust. For big engines -- there is less chance of breaking the disc, the super disc has more grip, and you can shift a rigid disc fractions of second faster (also means you are more likely to give yourself trans problems)

Mr.Duncan · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:50 am Post subject:

I noticed after 10,000 miles, my Sachs Stock (well new stock) Brand pressure plate got "soft" in my beetle.

It still grabs great... its just the clutch pedal got REALLY soft.

Diaphragm style.
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jpjohns · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:22 am Post subject:

I was told that a spring clutch was more forgiving with those new to driving a clutch. If you were familiar with a clutch to use a rigid one instead. I guess the spring clutches have a softer pedal feel? Mine actually had a rigid one come out of it.
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Bruce · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:34 am Post subject:

The pedal effort or feel isn't affected by the disc.
The spring center discs engage smoother than solid discs, that's why all new cars today with a manual g'box use them.
When you have a big hp VW engine, the spring center discs sometimes can't take the load and come apart. Not a problem with stock engines.
Another reason most pick a solid center disc is that they are cheaper to manufacture, and the majority of VW owners are CHEAP!
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didget69 · Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:01 pm Post subject:

Ahh... the debate: Solid disc or sprung (Marcel) disc? ...it's an age-old argument.

I use a sprung disc on stock motors, and solid/rigid center disc on 1776cc-up.
I've had very good success with this setup - http://www.clutchcityonline.com/vw_type_1.htm

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akear · Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:52 pm Post subject:

Update- Ended up getting the Sachs stock clutch kit with spring loaded disc from Kaddie Shack in Pasadena. Jeff there is super nice and helpful and they have a pretty decent inventory of stock as well as aftermarket parts. I'm liking the new clutch too!

c21darrel · Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:46 pm Post subject:

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jpjohns · Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:03 pm Post subject:

Nice info, thank you!!!!
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danielsan · Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:32 pm Post subject:

Agreed. Good decision. Smile


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