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c21darrel Samba Member
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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So does anyone have any good settings for welding repair panels. My welder is always being either too low on heat or too high and I can never get the perfect welding noise. My welds look junky too...
_________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
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xzener Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Takes a bit of trial and error... And LOTS of practice (not on the car). I found that a quick 1,2 (in my head) for spot welds worked for me. As soon as you find your technique, practice some more. It's an art I've come to realize.
A couple of your spot welds look good to me. It's just a matter of finding the right combination of gas pressure, wire speed, arc voltage, and time.
Make sure to not put much bend into the cable. It can restrict the speed of the wire feed. Be sure to clean the area to be welded with a wire brush really good too.
Am I missing anything? _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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Mellow Yellow 74 Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 1615 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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xzener wrote: |
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The amount of stick out you use and the angle you hold the torch can make a big difference even if everything else is set up ok. _________________ 1962 Karmann Ghia
1974 Deluxe Microbus
1985 Caravelle (Vanagon) |
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xzener Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Ah yes... My method is about 3/16 - 1/4" at a 45 degree. _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Thanks guys, I'll start practicing. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
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He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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xzener Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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I bought a piece of 20 gauge (same thickness as VW used) to practice on at Lowe's. It helps to practice on the same thickness material. Good luck. _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Thanks, I have a piece of 22. I couldn't find any 20 at Home depot or Lowes. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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CiderGuy Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2013 Posts: 1351 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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67ctbug wrote: |
So does anyone have any good settings for welding repair panels. My welder is always being either too low on heat or too high and I can never get the perfect welding noise. My welds look junky too...
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You may find this very helpful for welding sheet metal. Smaller wire makes a smaller bead and is easier to grind. Greatly improved my welding.
http://weldfabulous.com/weldcote-023-x-2-lb-spool-...z0QAvD_BwE
You can also search for easy grind mig wire _________________ ----------------------
Cars Currently Owned:
1970 Karmann Ghia Coupe
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe - Project car for sale
1970 Karmann Ghia Convertible (Body off restoration)
Timing is everything |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Yeah I'm using the wire it came with so .023 or .025 inch with 75/25 gas. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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I hate this welder... almost more than the harbor freight one...
_________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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xzener Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Oh my... Ok... Going by your wires sticking out, I can tell you aren't trimming the end off to 3/16 - 1/4" and starting fresh. And doesn't look like your taking a wire brush to the spot weld after each one. That hole may never be filled in... I would start from scratch if I were you, cutting a hole, using strong magnets to keep the new patch in place.
Here is a example of my welds...
With this weld, I over lapped the replacement panel. Each spot weld was allowed to cool a few minutes, cleaned, and then another spot weld was placed over lapping the previous one.
Practice on a piece of sheet metal, not the car... Please! Trim the wire after each weld, allow it to cool, clean the area with a wire brush, them make another weld. If you don't let the area cool, it will lead to warping. _________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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I'll try again, but when I work on a different metal that isn't the car then the welds are always good... _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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xzener Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Here is a small patch I did to reshape a fender after replacing a headlight clip. It was only 1/4" wide and tapered to a point...
Each weld was allowed to cool a few minutes... Very time consuming, but filled in eventually.
_________________ My 70 beetle was totaled Now to build the Ghia I always wanted. Rest in peace Ruby, I will miss you. Hello <insert Ghia name here>! |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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You are getting good advice. Slow down. Only weld on clean rust free metal. Practice a little more. Your pic looks like pretty thin metal. Only a really skilled welder would be able to fix that, maybe tig. Once you get that many holes....id start over, all those wires...slow down. Play with your heat and speed settings, you should not be blowing through what looks like your patch. Slow down. Tack and then move to the other side of the patch, tack. Air or a wet rag will help cool faster. Slow down, relax.
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lol, that's you. If you have a gas mig set up with heat and wire speed settings...its all you.
Its a marathon not a sprint. Slow down, make each tack count. _________________ GhiaBuild
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481184
1967 DC build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=693583&highlight=67+dc
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Yeah, I know its me... I'm welding 20 gauge as a patch. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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J1 Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2014 Posts: 698 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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If you are using this Eastwood 135 mig, I have had no problems with it. And note I am just a fledgling amateur.
Other immediate hypotheses... 18 gauge not 20. Tighter gaps. And that picture with the big gaping hole... I hope you are not trying to fill it in with countless welds, as opposed to cutting a patch panel to size and butt welding it on. _________________ 1971 Ghia coupe. Assume I know nothing and you'll be pretty darn close to the truth. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Thanks for the tips guys. I was going to fill the hole with weld... then it started to get bigger and bigger. I'll cut it off later and refill the hole with some steel. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3624 Location: CT
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Eastwood 135 MIG on sale for $200 |
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Any better? I used Eastwood settings, higher, and lower. .024 wire and 75/25 gas. Still getting holes in the center of some.
The stitch weld was awful... every one had a hole. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
Go Cubs!
World Series Champions 2016
KentPS wrote: |
...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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