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Sl
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 Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:54 am Post subject: Chassis swap |
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Hi.
I have a 53 oval that has no chassis.
Does anyone knows which floor pan (other than an oval one) is a straight bolt on?
Thanks!!!!
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txoval
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| I believe any 66 (maybe 67) and earlier will be a direct bolt on. 68? 69 and later will for sure require the rear body mounts to be raised. |
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Sl
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Only the body mounts would need to be adapted? What about the length between the front and rear mounts? Are they the same?
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sconord
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Rear body mount will have to be raised if using a 58+ pan. Other than that it is a bolt on.
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ZENVWDRIVER
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| sconord wrote: |
| Rear body mount will have to be raised if using a 58+ pan. Other than that it is a bolt on. |
... not sure what they mean by the rear body bolts... I have put split and ovals onto 1963, 1965, 1972 pans with no problem. If some bolts did not line up. left the off... both had enough bolts to keep them together. The white split was married to the 1972 pan from 1977 to 2012...
1950 body on a 1972 pan...
... currently my 1955 body is on a 1965 pan.
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56Cabrio
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
| sconord wrote: |
| Rear body mount will have to be raised if using a 58+ pan. Other than that it is a bolt on. |
... not sure what they mean by the rear body bolts... I have put split and ovals onto 1963, 1965, 1972 pans with no problem. If some bolts did not line up. left the off... both had enough bolts to keep them together. The white split was married to the 1972 pan from 1977 to 2012...
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The rear body mounts had to be raised or the body would of had a gap.
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| I believe any 66 (maybe 67) and earlier will be a direct bolt on. 68? 69 and later will for sure require the rear body mounts to be raised. |
txoval is correct, the rear body mount has to be moved up if putting a 67 and earlier body on a 68 and later pan.
pic from the gallery 63 on irs pan
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ZENVWDRIVER
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... ah ha... eliminated that mount on the split-to-'72-pan and was okay for 25 years... good picture.
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1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
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txoval
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That's a pretty important mount...I did the same mod when I installed a 64 Body on a 69 pan. Still pissed I sold that car
I did not realize that mount need to moved for 58 and up though. |
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Mr. OGPaint
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That's a pretty important mount...I did the same mod when I installed a 64 Body on a 69 pan. Still pissed I sold that car
I did not realize that mount need to moved for 58 and up though. |
Who ever indicated 58 and up needs the mount moved was incorrect, I believe the mount only is an issue when swapping to an iRS pan. 68 and earlier uses the same mount location I'm pretty sure, it definitely didn't change in 58 |
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splitjunkie
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| txoval wrote: |
That's a pretty important mount...I did the same mod when I installed a 64 Body on a 69 pan. Still pissed I sold that car
I did not realize that mount need to moved for 58 and up though. |
Who ever indicated 58 and up needs the mount moved was incorrect, I believe the mount only is an issue when swapping to an iRS pan. 68 and earlier uses the same mount location I'm pretty sure, it definitely didn't change in 58 |
This is correct. 68 and later pans require the rear mount to be modifed. '67 and earlier will be a bolt on swap.
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Jonnyla
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Interesting, so I have my '55 body sitting on a 66 pan. From my observation and measurements here is what I see. Body is sitting firmly (no rubber bushings yet) on front mounts at beam and rear mounts at shock supports. There is about a 3/8" gap between the body ant the pan at the rear just above the shift couple inspection hole (viewed at the interior of the car). So, if one plans to add the 1/2" thick square rubber bushings at the rear shock support mount I would agree that the body mount, pictured above by 56cabrio, would need to be moved up an inch so that the body sits flush on the pan all the way around.
Just my detailed observation.
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56Cabrio
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Interesting, so I have my '55 body sitting on a 66 pan. From my observation and measurements here is what I see. Body is sitting firmly (no rubber bushings yet) on front mounts at beam and rear mounts at shock supports. There is about a 3/8" gap between the body ant the pan at the rear just above the shift couple inspection hole (viewed at the interior of the car). So, if one plans to add the 1/2" thick square rubber bushings at the rear shock support mount I would agree that the body mount, pictured above by 56cabrio, would need to be moved up an inch so that the body sits flush on the pan all the way around.
Just my detailed observation. |
Did you put in a new pan gasket ?
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113701605 |
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Jonnyla
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Interesting, so I have my '55 body sitting on a 66 pan. From my observation and measurements here is what I see. Body is sitting firmly (no rubber bushings yet) on front mounts at beam and rear mounts at shock supports. There is about a 3/8" gap between the body ant the pan at the rear just above the shift couple inspection hole (viewed at the interior of the car). So, if one plans to add the 1/2" thick square rubber bushings at the rear shock support mount I would agree that the body mount, pictured above by 56cabrio, would need to be moved up an inch so that the body sits flush on the pan all the way around.
Just my detailed observation. |
Did you put in a new pan gasket ?
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113701605 |
No pan gasket, yet but I assume that after tightening all the bolts that will only be about an 1/8" thick.
I am building a new garage, so as soon as I get the body and pan in there I'll try to remember to document the process and results so we all have something we can all look at and figure out a possible conclusion to this question that comes up now and then.
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EphrataOval
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| My 57 has had a 62 pan under it and currently has a 69 pan. The 62 pan was a direct fit. The 69 pan fits with the exception of the already mentioned rear suspension bracket and the two bolts behind the spare tire well....they fix but aren't centered correctly....well, I'll have to look at that again as I did that swap 25 years ago. |
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luvthemvws
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The torsion tubes of a balljoint beam (1966-up) are farther apart than a linkpin beam. Therefore, the front of the body will sit high unless you leave out the rubber insulater blocks...and then it just squeaks when you drive.
Does the body need a new apron? |
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splitjunkie
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The torsion tubes of a balljoint beam (1966-up) are farther apart than a linkpin beam. Therefore, the front of the body will sit high unless you leave out the rubber insulater blocks...and then it just squeaks when you drive.
Does the body need a new apron? |
This is incorrect. If you did a body swap and ran into this then your car had been in an accident and we bent in the front.
The only place where the dimensions are different between a swing axle and IRS pan are the rear mounts above the shocks. Everything else is exactly the same where the body mounts to the pan including the front beam. Also as has been mentioned the older cars had two bolts under the seat and later had one but all other dimensions are the same.
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nz fish
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Chassis swap |
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Hi.
I have a 53 oval that has no chassis.
Does anyone knows which floor pan (other than an oval one) is a straight bolt on?
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hi i bought an oval beetle then found out it was on a 62 pan all bolted up ok .....hope that helps |
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