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Dale M.
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The cool thing about auto-x is you are out there alone, and if you loose it, you are only embarassed, and nobody gets hurt except drivers pride.....
Dale
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Skulptorchaz
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Fiatdude
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http://www.turnfast.com/technical
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BIGMIKEY
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I've seen a lot of pictures of this cart -- Always been impressed with it -- any videos of it going around the cones?????[/quote]
Just a clarification. This is not a cart. It is a VW based formula type car. In SCCA it would be an A-Modified car. Typically the fastest class.
Maybe someone will give some more information on this car.
Mike T
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ONEBADBUG
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| BIGMIKEY wrote: |
I've seen a lot of pictures of this cart -- Always been impressed with it -- any videos of it going around the cones????? |
Just a clarification. This is not a cart. It is a VW based formula type car. In SCCA it would be an A-Modified car. Typically the fastest class.
Maybe someone will give some more information on this car.
Mike T[/quote]
One of my pet peeves, when people call my car a Kart. Thanks for the clarification. Yes, it's an A-Mod. There are only about 4 rules for A-Mod, 700 lbs, Minimum track and wheelbase, and my favorite rule, 20 square feet of wing area, as viewed from above, meaning multiple elements. I love thinking about aerodynamics.
The car is all made out of junkyard parts, except for a lot of heim joints and tubing. GTI calipers in front, normal rabbit calipers in back, Bug engine with dry sump because it's so close to the ground, about 1.5 inches. |
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Fiatdude
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Could we see some more pictures please !!!!
Are you using the CB dry sump system????
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ONEBADBUG
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Could we see some more pictures please !!!!
Are you using the CB dry sump system???? |
Well, this topic is derailed for sure now. This is the only pic I found, this car has been retired quite a while. Yes, CB system, using a section of aluminum irrigation pipe for a tank. Wings are made from aluminum flashing with poster board ribs.
I do remember the tranny was out because we had only third gear left, and I lost a race to a smarmy FSAE team by like .002 with only one gear.
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Skulptorchaz
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It's Ok that we are off topic, sorta. As long as it's about Autocross. I am trying to learn what I can before I go out and give it a whirl. (BTW, it will be awhile since my DR. just said it will still be months before I will get the "oil" out of my eye so I can see with both.)
So yeah, keep any more Autocross coming in. I will be Bench (read: computer) Racing for awhile. 
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BIGMIKEY
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| Fiatdude wrote: |
Could we see some more pictures please !!!!
Are you using the CB dry sump system???? |
Well, this topic is derailed for sure now. This is the only pic I found, this car has been retired quite a while. Yes, CB system, using a section of aluminum irrigation pipe for a tank. Wings are made from aluminum flashing with poster board ribs.
I do remember the tranny was out because we had only third gear left, and I lost a race to a smarmy FSAE team by like .002 with only one gear.
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FSAE Grrr. don't get me started. And the Karts....really, don't get me started. OK sorry. Back OT.
Sculptorchaz: In my opinion your best course of action is to attend a local SCCA autocross. Find the event chairman. Explain you are a beginner and ask to be introduced to a veteran autocrosser. This is what happened to me way back when I started in 1978. Turns out the guy that ended up as my mentor was a multi time National champion in E-Stock. Now looking back on it I could not have chosen a better way to be introduced to autocrossing. I listened to what he told me. It transformed my experience. You can make it as hard core or as casual as you want. All of it is fun. An inadequate word to describe the experience.
Mike T
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ONEBADBUG
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| For a while we did a mentor program thing that seemed to work well, and I enjoyed teaching. The hardest thing for people, it seems, is to slow down and get a clean run, have the course memorized, before giving it all you got. |
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Grantsjc
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While I don't have a buggy I'm a big fan of these cars and ax with a bunch of fast buggies. I wonder about this as well as typical tires I see look too narrow. I know argument is that not much weight up there but I think slightly wider front wheel and tire would balance car if setup properly. I think convient tire sizes come from formula vee but I think if you can get enough weight on front tires and use very soft compound race slick an 8 or 9 inch slick wouldn't be out of realm of possibilities. Trick is finding a soft compound with fairly low operating temp.
One thing that has kept me away from buggies in ax is lack of suspension under these cars. I think if you could easily get double a arms with coil overs to better adjust suspension and corner weight car they would be awesome but being tied to old swing arms etc really limits these cars to just being real fun in AX. Most buggies aren't very competitive cars in SCCA modified classes but certainly they will take down poorly driven street cars pretty easily. Not bad for 50 year old plus engineering.
At one point I thought I saw kit to convert old VW suspension to A arms but lost track of who offered those. I'd love to build a tube framed Manx with real suspension some day. |
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Dale M.
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While I don't have a buggy I'm a big fan of these cars and ax with a bunch of fast buggies. I wonder about this as well as typical tires I see look too narrow. I know argument is that not much weight up there but I think slightly wider front wheel and tire would balance car if setup properly. I think convient tire sizes come from formula vee but I think if you can get enough weight on front tires and use very soft compound race slick an 8 or 9 inch slick wouldn't be out of realm of possibilities. Trick is finding a soft compound with fairly low operating temp.
One thing that has kept me away from buggies in ax is lack of suspension under these cars. I think if you could easily get double a arms with coil overs to better adjust suspension and corner weight car they would be awesome but being tied to old swing arms etc really limits these cars to just being real fun in AX. Most buggies aren't very competitive cars in SCCA modified classes but certainly they will take down poorly driven street cars pretty easily. Not bad for 50 year old plus engineering.
At one point I thought I saw kit to convert old VW suspension to A arms but lost track of who offered those. I'd love to build a tube framed Manx with real suspension some day. |
You need to talk to Greg, from Salinas ( may be able to contact through Folks Cafe (formerly Volks Cafe) who frequently posted top times of the day at Auto-x at Marina airport or Dennis Hale in Felton who is long time buggy/baja man....
Dale
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Skulptorchaz
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What about a Super Beetle front end??
I know tire pressure is a big issue and I was interested if there was a "rule of thumb" for figuring it? I run BFG's.
Also, what about street use?
Thanx! |
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slalombuggy
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Wider tires simply don't work on buggies. They don't put enough pressure per square inch on the contact patch and wash out in corners and lock up under braking. As far as soft compounds I ran Formula Ford qualifying tires. I think they were Goodyear Sportscar Specials with a rating of about 120. I could get about a season and a half out of a set if I didn't flatspot them. Any more than that and they would start to harden up from being heat cycled so much. They were still usable but I could tell they lost their bite.
There are a few places in the US that sell used race tires and we got them from there. I think the place we dealt with was in Wisconson. A guy we raced with drove truck and would fill skidsteer cabs with race tires when he went through there.
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Grantsjc
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| I'm looking at buggy now. im looking for DOT r Hoosier a7 set up as I'd like to run OSP. The smallest 13 inch Hoosier a7 width wise is a 225x13. Would that be too much on a 7 inch front ? Then was thinking 9 in rear with 255 13. I like these tires as they are very small diameter and should be easier to get warm. Tough to find real narrow A7. |
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Fiatdude
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| I'm looking at buggy now. im looking for DOT r Hoosier a7 set up as I'd like to run OSP. The smallest 13 inch Hoosier a7 width wise is a 225x13. Would that be too much on a 7 inch front ? Then was thinking 9 in rear with 255 13. I like these tires as they are very small diameter and should be easier to get warm. Tough to find real narrow A7. |
Ride height can be adjusted with your suspension -- -- Find the tire you want and then get the rim to fit..... The classes I like to run in require a t least a 200 tw (tread wear) tire -- I'm running 16" teladials on my Ghia so I can run some 225 16's S-Drives
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didget69
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| I'm looking at buggy now. im looking for DOT r Hoosier a7 set up as I'd like to run OSP. The smallest 13 inch Hoosier a7 width wise is a 225x13. Would that be too much on a 7 inch front ? Then was thinking 9 in rear with 255 13. I like these tires as they are very small diameter and should be easier to get warm. Tough to find real narrow A7. |
Ride height can be adjusted with your suspension -- -- Find the tire you want and then get the rim to fit..... The classes I like to run in require a t least a 200 tw (tread wear) tire -- I'm running 16" teladials on my Ghia so I can run some 225 16's S-Drives
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You're running 16"x7" Teledials with what, ET52 or ET23? Were these 944 wheels?
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Fiatdude
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ET52 -- -- Got them off Craigslist for $200 with tires -- My score for the year
Made some 13mm spacers to get them to set in the wheel well correctly --
Next big project is to do a 3" torsion narrowing so I can throw away the spacer and put some more TIRE back there -- my 2989 tends to haze the 225's a lot
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slalombuggy
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225s aren't too bad, I tried those and 205s and the 205s were a bit better but not much. You would be alright with running them.
Running SP in a buggy, you guys have some different rules than we do. A rebody of any car is automatically a Mod classification.
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Grantsjc
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225s aren't too bad, I tried those and 205s and the 205s were a bit better but not much. You would be alright with running them.
Running SP in a buggy, you guys have some different rules than we do. A rebody of any car is automatically a Mod classification.
brad |
Yeah we have local OSP class that essentially lets any car that has been registered on street to run DOT R tires. Class currently dominated by a 914/6 race car on 275 width a6 Hoosiers .
I'm looking at double a arm suspension in front and upgraded rear suspension as well. |
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