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xcoldgrimjimx
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 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: Is this engine 6 volt? |
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can you guys please help me ? I am planning to put this motor in my 1964 11 window . I want to keep my bus 6 volts for now  . So the guy does not know if this is 6volts or not? PLEASE LOOK AT the pics I have a pic of the flywheel and the front I hope you guys can tell my old motor is a 1600 and has ROD KNOCK  I know this 40 horse is weak but I don't care at this moment in time I just want to get it on the road and running for my older son " HE CAN CHANGE IT LATER IF HE WANTS" 
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tasb
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You cannot tell just by looking at the flywheel you have to count the teeth. The generator does not appear to have the regulator mounted on it which wooulde indicate 12 volt.
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EmpiGT
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| That is a mix motor, it has a 12 generator, but a six volt flywheel. |
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tasb
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Not sure why you think you are stupid but I guess you would know. Another tip off is the label on the top of the coil. It should be stamped either 12v or 6v.
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BarryL 
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| Lots of 6 volt generators with no regulator but the giveaway is the threaded stud and nut electric connections make it 12 volt. Yes, count the teeth of the flywheel. |
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olliehank47
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| That is a mix motor, it has a 12 generator, but a six volt flywheel. |
^^This^^
The flywheel is 6 volt. You can tell because of the relatively wide flat area between the teeth and the recess where the clutch is installed. ("You" can tell if you are familiar with 6 and 12 volt flywheels, That is  ), but count the teeth to confirm. A 6 volt flywheel has 109 teeth.
If you want to keep the bus as is--6volt--you will need to change the generator, generator stand (unless you source a large diameter 6 volt generator), coil, choke heating element, and voltage regulator. That motor is not a plug-and-play, as it sits. |
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xcoldgrimjimx
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| EmpiGT wrote: |
| That is a mix motor, it has a 12 generator, but a six volt flywheel. |
^^This^^
The flywheel is 6 volt. You can tell because of the relatively wide flat area between the teeth and the recess where the clutch is installed. ("You" can tell if you are familiar with 6 and 12 volt flywheels, That is ), but count the teeth to confirm. A 6 volt flywheel has 109 teeth.
If you want to keep the bus as is--6volt--you will need to change the generator, generator stand (unless you source a large diameter 6 volt generator), coil, choke heating element, and voltage regulator. That motor is not a plug-and-play, as it sits. |
"That motor is not a plug-and-play, as it sits."
but if I change all the electrics to the proper 6 VOLT ELECTRICS will it work then? the heater boxes that are on this motor are no good? what do I need to do to make this fit? on my bus?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: I AM DUMB PLEASE HELP what is this? |
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| xcoldgrimjimx wrote: |
| my old motor is a 1600 |
Tell us more about this, 6V or 12?, and what about the starter you have now?
Looks like a 6V flywheel from here, you can always count teeth to confirm, 109 for 6V and 130 for 12V.
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olliehank47
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| xcoldgrimjimx wrote: |
| olliehank47 wrote: |
| EmpiGT wrote: |
| That is a mix motor, it has a 12 generator, but a six volt flywheel. |
^^This^^
The flywheel is 6 volt. You can tell because of the relatively wide flat area between the teeth and the recess where the clutch is installed. ("You" can tell if you are familiar with 6 and 12 volt flywheels, That is ), but count the teeth to confirm. A 6 volt flywheel has 109 teeth.
If you want to keep the bus as is--6volt--you will need to change the generator, generator stand (unless you source a large diameter 6 volt generator), coil, choke heating element, and voltage regulator. That motor is not a plug-and-play, as it sits. |
"That motor is not a plug-and-play, as it sits."
but if I change all the electrics to the proper 6 VOLT ELECTRICS will it work then? the heater boxes that are on this motor are no good? what do I need to do to make this fit? on my bus? |
Yes, if your 64 is stock, 6 volt. The big deal with the engine is to have the flywheel match the starter. Once you confirm that is a 6 volt FW, it will work with your starter. Change out the electricals and install the engine. |
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xcoldgrimjimx
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ok , so if I change the electrics on this motor and the flywheel IS 6volts . All I will have to do is pop on the clutch and BINGO? is that what yall are saying? ...IF NOT PLEASE TELL ME what needs to be done that I missed
#1 change all electronic equipment to 6volts "my OG starter IS 6 volts already "
#2 make sure the flywheel is indeed 6 volts "and it is"
#3 heater boxes are fine to use ?
#4 bolt my OLD 6 volt clutch up
#5 my old muffler wont fit because it is for my OG motor with is a 1600 so I will need a "new" muffler to fit this 1200 40hp
6# I can use most of my parts from my old 1600 to put on this 1200 carb, coli, distributer ,cap rotor , spark plugs , generator ..ext
THE STORY..................
PLEASE TELL ME IF I AM MISSING SOMTHING FOR THIS SWAP!
This motor is from a 61 bug not from a bus ...And I am putting it in MY 1964 11 window my old motor has rod knock, so just to get it up an running for my older son I am putting this 1200 in it for the time being. I am planning to rebuild my #'s matching motor in due time! EVERYTHING IN MY BUS RIGHT NOW IS 6 VOLTS EVERY THING! so.. that's why I/WE chose this motor , its still 6 volts and its easier to put a 6 volt in "at this time " than going to 12 volts because I will need to grind the tran's , wiper will not like it , change all light's and fuse's ..ext it a good idea "I JUST DONT WANT TO TAKE THAT ON RIGHT NOW" so doing it this way seemed to be the cheaper option, VS a motor rebuild that will be up to 1300 bucks!  since my boy is learning about money, working on motors , life budgeting ...he asked me what rout to take , and I said well son how much money do you have to work with? he said about 500 bucks  I said well..... for one you don't have e-nuff money for a rebuild , or even a bottom end rebuild ...lol he said what am I going to dad? I said well son at this point in your/ our "resto" of this bus the best option "in my op" keep ALL OG 6 volt electronic equipment ,for one they all WORK !!!everything !!! gas gauge, lights, wiper !!!! all working awesome!!! so we are good in that way!!! so if we keep the "replacement motor" 6 volts we wont need to grind, voltage drop , replace lights, fuses , anything !!! so lets to that "because of his budget of 500.00 " on a side note I will help him in the money aspect for odds and ends . So we /him opted for this 1200 because it is close to us and the guy just had it rebuilt the price is right and over all looks "in good working order" I know its lower power than what we had. But its just to get him driving from school work & in and out burger ..lol he's not going to race anyone with 40hp ..lol so that is the story AGAIN PLEASE LET ME KNOW EXACTLY what needs to be done to make this swap happen! "if I did not cover it in the above listing"
THANK YOU ALL IN ADVANCE !!!
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Most of the parts can be made to work, but if your current clutch/flywheel is 200mm and the 61 bug is using a 180mm clutch you'll have an issue with the clutch.
The heater boxes may have different sized outlets as well, not too hard to adapt that though and it won't stop you from driving it.
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Because you like sticking knifes in electrical outlets and it's like seeing a new unwrapped toy coming home
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I can see a 6 volt flywheel a mile away. Maybe that's because that's what my bus came with when I bought it and had to figure out why the neighbors 3 blocks away could hear the bus try to start, who knows but 6 volt teeth are more course that and the smaller clutch diameter.
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xcoldgrimjimx
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:48 am Post subject: |
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sooooo, guys is there anything I have missed to do this swap ?
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| Did you hear this engine run? Not saying it isn't but it does not look like an engine that was recently rebuilt to me. Before going any further I would make sure it's a good engine. |
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BarryL
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| sooooo, guys is there anything I have missed to do this swap ? |
Carb with 6 volt choke (and cut-out if you have one).
I think you can put your 1600's 6 volt flywheel on it but use the matching shims and set the endplay. You could leave that 180 mm flywheel on it if you want but use a fresh 180 mm clutch disc and pressure plate. Your old 200mm clutch and PP won't fit.
If you have the same diameter generator in 6 volt put that on. If you have the smaller diameter generator put it on with its own pedestal. Use which ever pulley lines up best with the engine's pulley.
6 volt coil you mentioned.
I think you can use the 1600 heater boxes on the 40 horse? Not sure. |
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