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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

caravelle c wrote:

Since this thread has veered all over the place, another question I've had is the death of VW rear engine design. I understand this as a safety issue, which makes sense. Except that there have been many cars produced since then that put the engine behind the driver. Why haven't they been affected similarly?


Having the engine in the back removed one of the most dangerous parts of automotive safety design, that being what to do with a big solid engine and transmission package when it is slammed backwards in the frontal collision potentially crushing the legs of the front seat occupants. Having a rear engine also meant that there was no need for a long front hood that could be pushed back through the windshield hitting the occupants in the head, neck, or upper body. The traditional front engine design also compromises the structural integrity of energy absorbing structure because of the big hole in said structure required for the engine and tranny. Vanagons actually do very well when they take a frontal hit from all different angles because their safety cage is not thus compromised. The near vertical steering column of the Bay Window bus was also a plus as the more traditional horizontal steering column would act as a sword in a frontal collision puncturing the driver's chest.

The Vanagon was one of the safest vehicles on the road in its day and still holds up well in a frontal collision against a more modern car.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done nose jobs on crashed Vanagons and YES, they do survive frontal collisions well....and drivers/passangers were not hurt.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rear engine configuration negatively impacts one of the primary purposes for utility vehicles in the segment within which the T3 competes in Europe; cargo capacity and loading ease. That raised section housing the drivetrain represents lost cargo capacity and a less useful loading point. Love em or loathe em, the T4 and its successors have resolved this issue. Rear engine is now relegated to boutique sports cars or micros like the Smart. It's not ever returning to the utility segment
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, it all makes so much more sense now! As an added bonus, I even feel safer!
Only 5 1/2 pgs to enlightenment, a bargain!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The rear engine configuration negatively impacts one of the primary purposes for utility vehicles in the segment within which the T3 competes in Europe; cargo capacity and loading ease. That raised section housing the drivetrain represents lost cargo capacity and a less useful loading point. Love em or loathe em, the T4 and its successors have resolved this issue. Rear engine is now relegated to boutique sports cars or micros like the Smart. It's not ever returning to the utility segment


Well if they did that you lose the forward driving seat position, which is one of the main reasons why these old Vanagons (& early buses) are so fuking cool.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are cool, which is why I've owned six of them over the years. But that's just a subjective interpretation thing, and I'm merely explaining why rear engine was jettisoned in favor of its polar opposite.

The only way I see rear "engine" returning to this segment, is with electric drive being the powerplant in question
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Kay wrote:
<<Around here $1500-2000 will get you a low-mileage Dodge Ram Van.>>

Your right.
But The ram vans are totally out of context here.
Go look for an A-100 Sportsmobile--or even a straight hardtop Van--
You'll soil your Depends when you see what they bring--
In either a slant 6 or a 318-- with a Torque Flite will be good.---give that a try for 2 grand.

The guy will laugh at you, and toss you off his property all in one move.

Much more than that Vanagon would ever think of getting.


Creeper vans don't cost much here. Apparently I should be buying Dodge vans here and selling them to you for ten or twenty times what I pay!! Very Happy

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/5156585705.html

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/5137377190.html
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

somehow you totally blew right past this---

" The ram vans are totally out of context here.
Go look for an A-100 Sportsmobile--or even a straight hardtop Van--"

A-100, A-100, one more time so you don't miss it--A-100.

Now do some searching in Quebec's Craigslist see what you come up with.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go, a running, decent A-100, under $4k, hop a plane today! Don't miss it. Old black Cali plate too, not some outastate rust bucket.

Wonder how much a like condition same year VW van would run me?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/5133688581.html

It does seem older vehicles in general are making a comeback now. Vintage, retro, whatever you want to call it. It doesn't matter how lowly they were regarded in their day.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazyvwvanman wrote:
Here you go, a running, decent A-100, under $4k, hop a plane today! Don't miss it. Old black Cali plate too, not some outastate rust bucket.

Wonder how much a like condition same year VW van would run me?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/5133688581.html

It does seem older vehicles in general are making a comeback now. Vintage, retro, whatever you want to call it. It doesn't matter how lowly they were regarded in their day.

Mark

I dig those old dogs!

On a Baja surf trip many moons ago, we kept running into this guy, "Steve" who drove one of those.. He got everywhere we go to in our 4x4.. (although we never pushed too hard in 4x..

And the guy had this old beater 12ft board on top.. Yellowed from many years in sunligt.
He did not surf much.. if ever.. but the guy could certainly put down the Ballenas.



Rear engines?
Corvair Monzas are all the rage in our area.. Three converivbles full restored running around our hood.

And there's a Corvan, around too.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hot on a Greenbriar wagon before I wound up with the first vanagon.

The guy wouldn't sell it for what I wanted to pay, that was the end of that.
Two weeks later some kid blew a stop sign and T-Boned the Corvan, it was then all done.

Same color scheme, neat ride.

That Dodge is a little rough, it will bring what a Vanagon would in the same shape.
There is better out there.
Still a neat old Van.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say, the easiest clutch job I ever did was on a sixties era Ford Econoline van. Did it in a gravel driveway. Lifted the trans out and put it back in entirely while laying on my back with no jack or stands.

Since we've gone all loco and begun comparing the Vanagon to other van-ish creatures, please tell me what other similar type vehicle handles the twisties as well as a T3 Carat? Certainly no domestic van, and I doubt many minivans could touch my van on the autoX track, even with my tired old WBX
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please google translate it on your own.

"Das beste Auto der Welt?

Wir erwischen den letzten VW T3 Multivan am Volkswagen-Automuseum in Wolfsburg. Der VW Typ 2 T3 Multivan trägt Plakette 2500 von 2500. Damit ist er der letzte der Abschiedsserie Last Limited Edition (LLE), die es nur in Orlyblaumetallic oder in Tornadorot gab. Im VW T3 Multivan wabert noch der Geruch der Produktion, sein Tacho weist ihn mit 736 Kilometern als 15 Jahre alten Neuwagen aus. Viel von der Welt hat er noch nicht erfahren. Es wird Zeit, dass der T3 Multivan mal das Meer sieht.
Quadratisch, praktisch - und 16,6 Kubikmeter Raum

Wir wuchten unser komplettes Gepäck - immerhin einen ganzen Opel Zafira voll - in den VW T3 Multivan, und es verliert sich in der Tiefe seines Laderaums. Später werden wir noch zwei Surfbretter hinterher werfen, was auch keinen Unterschied macht. An seinem nördlichen Ende wird der hüfthohe Kofferraum des VW T3 Multivan von einer Dreier-Rücksitzcouch begrenzt.

Sind die Sitzflächen der beiden VW T3 Multivan-Sessel gegenüber hochgeklappt, haben die Fond-Passagiere mehr Beinfreiheit als in einem Maybach 62. Und selbst einem Rolls-Royce Phantom entsteigt man durch seine herrschaftlichen Portale nicht so würdevoll wie dem Multivan durch seine seitliche Schiebetür. Die Maße des VW T3 Multivan multiplizieren sich zu einer Box mit dem Volumen von 16,6 Kubikmeter. Das kommt dem wahren Raumangebot schon recht nahe. Weil der VW T3 Multivan kein Van mit langer, flach ansteigender Schnauze ist, sondern ein Kastenwagen. Sein Design, so verschnörkelt wie das eines Nachtspeicherofens, maximiert durch das Frontlenker-Heckmotor-Layout den Platz.

An sich soll schon die dritte Transporter-Generation von 1979 und nicht erst der T4 von 1990 Vorderradantrieb und Frontmotor bekommen. Doch weil das VW-Budget begrenzt ist, bleibt es für den VW T3 bei dem Antriebskonzept, das schon der erste Typ 2 von 1950 nutzte. Bei den Kunden kommt diese Traditionspflege nicht so gut an, wie von Volkswagen erhofft. Doch der Konzern hält trotzig am VW T3 fest und fängt an, ihn zu betüddeln. Er spendiert ihm 1981 einen Diesel, 1982 werden die lahmen und durstigen luftgekühlten Boxermotoren durch lahme und durstige 1,9-Liter- Wasserboxer ersetzt. 1984 gibt es den Turbodiesel, ein Jahr darauf präsentiert VW als Topmotorisierung für den T3 den 2,1- Liter-WBX und: den VW T3 Multivan.
Der T3-Bulli ist kürzer als ein Audi 100

Der VW T3 Multivan ist kein Wohnmobil, mit dem man auch mal reisen kann, sondern ein Reisemobil, in dem man auch mal wohnen kann. VW möbliert ihn dazu unter anderem mit der zum Doppelbett umklappbaren Rücksitzbank und mit einem Klapptisch, um den sich die fünf Rücksitze gruppieren. Das reicht nicht für den Jahresurlaub im Dauercamperparadies - was ja definitiv ein Pluspunkt ist. Wir klettern in den VW T3 Multivan.

Der Anlasser des VW T3 Multivan zuckt kurz, rüttelt den 2,1-Liter-Wasserboxer wach. Der klingt nach der langen Standzeit ein paar Umdrehungen lang etwas verwettert, verfällt dann aber in einen sanften Leerlauf. Wir hören ihn kaum. Denn obwohl der VW T3 Multivan mit 4,60 Meter kürzer als ein Audi 100 Typ 43 ausfällt, liegen drei Meter Luftlinie zwischen den Ohren der Frontbesatzung und dem Motor. Der wohnt in seinem Metallkabäuschen, nur durch eine Abdeckplatte von der guten Stube getrennt. Während die krakeeligen Diesel den gesamten Innenraum des VW T3 Multivan als Schallkörper für ihre Brüllattacken nutzen, wechselt der Benziner beim Gasgeben kaum die Lautstärke, dafür aber die Tonart: ins Porschige.

Welch großen Verlust das Ende der Boxer-Ära bei VW wirklich bedeutet, zeigt sich erst, wenn man wieder mal mit einem unterwegs ist. Der späte WBX ist sicher der beste VW-Boxer aller Zeiten. Denn in der hubraumstärksten Version hat er endlich genügend Leistung für den umfangreichen VW T3 Multivan. Die Maschine drückt ihn vehement voran und bleibt auch bei Richtgeschwindigkeit - da hat der Tourenmesser die 4.000er-Marke hinter sich gelassen - höchst kultiviert und in ihrem Klangvolumen weit hinter dem Tosen zurück, das der Wind veranstaltet, wenn er an die Karosse des VW T3 Multivan brandet.
Vom T3 gibt es zahlreiche gesuchte Sondermodelle

Pustet es von der Seite, ist es aber vorbei mit dem souveränen Reisen im VW T3 Multivan. Dann schlenkert, tändelt und strauchelt der Multivan auf seiner Fahrspur herum, braucht dauernd Kurskorrekturen. Das gelingt mit der Servolenkung zwar leicht, doch mangelt es ihr an Rückstellmoment. So rollt der VW T3 Multivan immer etwas eckig über zugige Autobahnen. Bei Flaute fährt er sich wiederum angenehm schwergewichtig, wie eine große Limousine. Die Federung steckt derbe Treff er selbst beim tiefergelegten VW T3 Multivan LLE locker weg. Auch bei der Ausstattung distanziert sich der VW T3 Multivan sehr von anderen Nutzfahrzeugen.

An die VW T3 Multivan-Sondermodelle Magnum (1988 bis 1989), Bluestar und Whitestar (1989 bis 1990) und vor allem die Last Limited Edition schraubt VW nicht nur die Rundumbeplankung, sondern fast alles, was es an Sonderausstattung gibt. So trägt unser VW T3 Multivan LLE die dicken Gehäuse der elektrischen Außenspiegel, lenkt wie schon erwähnt servoerleichtert, verriegelt zentral, setzt uns vorn auf bequeme Pilotensitze mit Armlehnen, trägt Colorglas und dazu 14-Zoll-Alu-Räder im Fünf-Stern-Design.
Die Gartenlaube lässt sich ambitioniert fahren

Hinter Heide endet die Autobahn, wir fahren in Multivan die letzten 40 Kilometer bis St. Peter-Ording über Land. Für 1,4 Tonnen Leergewicht und die Statur einer Gartenlaube räubert der VW T3 Multivan erfreulich agil durch die platte Eiderstedter Provinz. Bleibt in Biegungen lang neutral, schwänzelt schließlich mit dem Hinterteil, dreht beim Gaswegnehmen dann typisch in die Kurve ein. Das hat mit Sportlichkeit natürlich kaum was zu tun, aber es fühlt sich wie ambitioniertes Fahren an. Sehr unterhaltsam ist es dazu, auch wenn das Nicken der VW T3 Multivan-Karosse beim Bremsen und Beschleunigen eine gewisse Seetüchtigkeit der Besatzung voraussetzt. Doch an das bisschen Wogen kann man sich viel leichter gewöhnen als an die Schaltung. Gerüchten zufolge beherbergt die linke Gangebene unten den Ersten und oben die Retour-Stufe.

Auf heftiges Nachbohren lässt sich meist einer der beiden zum Verzahnen überreden. Doch selten geht es dann auf Anhieb in die gewünschte Richtung. Weil der Motor des VW T3 Multivan schon bei niedrigen Touren genügend Wumms hat, empfiehlt es sich daher, den ersten Gang zu ignorieren und im zweiten loszufahren. Weiterhin sollte man generell Situationen vermeiden, in denen sich der VW T3 Multivan rückwärts bewegen muss. Samstagmittag erreichen wir den Strand von St. Peter-Ording. Hier wandelte sich das Image des VW T3 Multivan vom Großfamilien-Carrier zum Surfermobil. Daran hat die ARD-Vorabend- Surferserie "Gegen den Wind" nicht unerheblichen Anteil. Als Ralf Bauer 1995 aus dem Bus gleich in seinen sehr neonfarbenen Neoprenanzug und dann auf sein Surfbrett hüpfte, war der VW T3 Multivan plötzlich sehr angesagt. Junge Damen setzten sich von da an gern auf den Beifahrersitz, galt doch jeder Bully-Besitzer nun als potenzieller Nachwuchs-Robby-Naish.
Der VW T3-Bulli: Geräumig wie ein Laster, handlich wie ein Kompaktwagen

Inzwischen hat der VW T4 - ob als Transporter, Caravelle oder Multivan - die Vorherrschaft am Ordinger Strand übernommen. Aber als der VW T3 Multivan über den Deich krabbelt - da kehrt der unumstrittene König heim. Dank des traktionsfördernden Heckmotors und der großen Bodenfreiheit rollen wir im VW T3 Multivan souverän über den Strand, während sich Limousinen gleich im ersten Sandloch panisch festscharren. Wir bleiben den Tag am Meer, trinken während der Ebbe Kaffee in der VW T3 Multivan-Surfer-Lounge.

Nachmittags kommt die Flut. Wahre Surfer würden jetzt rausgehen und erst vom Brett steigen, wenn die Wellen sich wieder zurückziehen. Dann im Multivan übernachten und morgens wieder als Erste aufs Wasser. Natürlich würde das auch mit einem anderen Auto klappen. Doch kein anderes verbindet so viele Talente wie der VW T3 Multivan, ohne Kompromisse zu fordern: Geräumig wie ein Laster, komfortabel wie eine Limousine, handlich wie ein Kompaktwagen. Und für leichtes Gelände taugt er selbst als reiner Hecktriebler mehr als die meisten SUV.
Der Letzte oder der Allerletzte?

Sonntags bringen wir den VW T3 Multivan sorgfältig von Sand und Salz gereinigt zurück nach Wolfsburg. Sein Tacho zeigt jetzt 1.623 Kilometer, der Motor läuft noch sanfter, die Federung spricht noch sensibler an. Dem letzten kleinen VW T3 Multivan hat es gefallen am Meer. Wobei das mit den letzten VW T3 so eine Sache ist. Nach der LLE-Reihe sollen noch rund 840 Multivan Red Star aus Restteilen entstanden sein - offiziell nie angeboten, schon weil VW den LLE-Käufern zertifiziert hatte, einen VW T3 Multivan der letzten Serie gekauft zu haben. Doch das gilt ohnehin nur für Europa. In Südafrika wird der VW T3 noch bis Juni 2002 gebaut, mit einem 136 PS starken 2,6-Liter-Fünfzylindermotor. Aber wer kann es VW verübeln, vom VW T3, dem besten Auto der Welt noch ein paar Zigtausend allerallerletzte Exemplare gebaut zu haben? "
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The best car in the world?

We catch the last VW T3 Multivan on Volkswagen Auto Museum in Wolfsburg. The VW Type 2 T3 Multivan wearing badge in 2500 from 2500. He is the last of the series Farewell Last Limited Edition (LLE), which existed only in Orlyblaumetallic or tornado. In VW T3 Multivan still wafts the smell of production, his speedometer shows him with 736 kilometers of 15-year-old cars. Much of the world he has not yet experienced. It is time that the T3 Multivan even see the sea.
Square, practical - and 16.6 cubic meters

We heave our entire luggage - after an entire Opel Zafira fully - in the VW T3 Multivan, and it loses itself in the depths of his hold. Later, we will take two surfboards behind, which makes no difference. At its north end of the waist-high boot of VW T3 Multivan is bounded by a three-back couch.

Are the seats of the two VW T3 Multivan chair folded up against, have the rear passengers more legroom than in a Maybach 62. And even a Rolls-Royce Phantom you do emerge through its stately portals not as dignified as the Multivan with its sliding side door. The dimensions of the VW T3 Multivan multiply to a box with a volume of 16.6 cubic meters. The already comes to the true space quite close. Because of the VW T3 Multivan is not a Van with a long, flat snout rising, but a van. Its design, as ornate as a night storage heater, maximized by the cab-rear engine layout on the pitch.

In itself, the third Transporter generation of 1979 and not only the T4 1990 front-wheel drive and front engine to get. But because the VW-budget is limited, it remains for the VW T3 in the drive concept, which was already used the first type 2 from the 1950s. For customers this tradition care comes not as good as hoped for by Volkswagen. But the Group holds defiantly laid on VW T3 and begins to betüddeln him. He donated it in 1981 a diesel, 1982, the lame and thirsty air-cooled boxer engines are replaced by lame thirsty 1.9-liter Boxer water. 1984 is the turbodiesel, a year later VW presented as the top engine for the 2,1 liter T3 WBX and: the VW T3 Multivan.
The T3 Bulli is shorter than an Audi 100

The VW T3 Multivan is not a mobile home, with which you can also travel times, but a motorhome in which one can live sometimes. VW furnished him among others of the double folding rear seat and a folding table about which group the five rear seats. That's not enough for the annual leave in permanent campers paradise - which is definitely a plus point yes. We climb into the VW T3 Multivan.

The starter of the VW T3 Multivan twitches briefly, shaking awake the 2.1-liter boxer water. The sounds of the long service life of a few turns long verwettert something, but then falls into a gentle idle. We hardly hear him. Even though the VW T3 Multivan with 4.60 meters shorter than an Audi 100 Type 43 fails, there are three feet in a straight line between the ears of the crew and the front engine. He lives in his Metallkabäuschen, separated only by a cover plate of the parlor. While krakeeligen diesel use the entire interior of the VW T3 Multivan as a sound body for its howler attacks of petrol hardly the volume the key but changes during acceleration, for: the Porschige.

Welch great loss that really means the end of Boxer era at Volkswagen, only becomes apparent when one is having a go again. The late WBX is certainly the best VW boxer of all time. For in the biggest capacity version he finally has enough power for the extensive VW T3 Multivan. The machine pushes it forward vigorously and remains even at recommended speed - since the Tour Messer having 4,000 mark left behind - highly cultured and back into their sound volume far behind the roar, which organizes the wind when it is to the body of the VW T3 Multivan surges.
From T3 there are numerous popular special editions

Pustet it from the side, but it is over with the sovereign trips in VW T3 Multivan. Then dangles, flirts and stumbles the Multivan on its lane around, needs constant course corrections. This is achieved with the power steering was slightly, but lacks her at restoring moment. So the VW T3 Multivan rolls always somewhat angular over drafty highways. When he drives lull in turn pleasant Heavy, like a large sedan. The suspension infected rough fail Himself when lowered VW T3 Multivan LLE away loose. Even with the equipment, the VW T3 Multivan distances very different from other commercial vehicles.

At the VW T3 Multivan special models Magnum (1988 to 1989), Blue Star and White Star (1989 to 1990) and especially the load Limited Edition screwed VW not only Rundumbeplankung but almost everything there is of special features. So wearing our VW T3 Multivan LLE the thick casing of the electric mirrors, deflects servoerleichtert as already mentioned, locked centrally, sets us forward to comfortable pilot seats with armrests, wearing tinted glass plus a 14-inch aluminum wheels in five-star style.
The gazebo can be driven ambitious

Behind Heath ending the motorway, we ride in Multivan the last 40 kilometer till St. Peter-Ording on land. For 1.4 tonnes unladen weight and stature of a gazebo of VW T3 Multivan Raiders pleasing agile through the plate Eiderstedter province. Remain neutral in long bends, finally schwänzelt with the rump, rotates when decelerating then typically in the curve a. This of course has little to do with sportsmanship, but it feels like ambitious driving. Very entertaining it is to, even if the pitch of the VW T3 Multivan body during braking and acceleration presupposes a certain seaworthiness the crew. But to the little waves can get used much more easily than to the circuit. Rumor is home to the left transition level below the first and above the return stage.

On vigorous prodding can be one of the most persuade them to Gear. But rarely it then goes straight into the desired direction. Because the engine of the VW T3 Multivan even at low revs has enough oomph, it is therefore advisable to ignore the first gear and drive off in the second. Furthermore, you should generally avoid situations where the VW T3 Multivan must move backwards. We arrive Saturday afternoon the beach of St. Peter-Ording. Here the image of the VW T3 Multivan from extended families carriers converted to mobile surfers. That has the ARD Vorabend- Surfer series "Against the Wind" not insignificant proportion. As Ralf Bauer in 1995 hopped off the bus the same in his very neon wetsuit and then on his surfboard, the VW T3 Multivan was suddenly very popular. Young ladies like sat from then on into the passenger seat, was but everyone Bully owners now as a potential newcomer Robby Naish-.
The VW Bulli T3: Spacious as a vice, handy like a compact car

Meanwhile, the VW T4 - whether as Transporter, Caravelle or Multivan - assumed supremacy on the beach at Ording. But when the VW T3 Multivan crawls over the dike - as the undisputed king returns home. Thanks to the traction motor and rear-promoting high ground clearance we roll confidently in VW T3 Multivan on the beach, while firmly scrape sedans in the very first Sandloch panicked. We stay the day at the beach, drinking coffee during low tide in the VW T3 Multivan Surfer Lounge.

In the afternoon comes the flood. True surfers would go out now and will rise from the board when the waves retreat again. Then stay at the Multivan and the morning and again the first water. Of course, this would work well with another car. But no other combines so many talents like the VW T3 Multivan to demand without compromise: Spacious as a vice, comfort of a sedan, handy as a compact car. And for easy terrain he is good even as a pure Hecktriebler more than most SUVs.
The Last or Ultimate?

On Sundays we bring the VW T3 Multivan carefully cleaned of sand and salt back to Wolfsburg. His speedometer shows now 1623 km, the engine runs more smoothly, the suspension still speaks to sensitive. The last small VW T3 Multivan liked the sea. It being understood that the last VW T3 is such a thing. After the LLE series are still around 840 Multivan Red Star have originated from residual parts - never officially offered, if only because VW had certified the LLE-buyers to have bought a VW T3 Multivan the last series. But this is true in any case only for Europe. In South Africa, the VW T3 is still under construction by June 2002, with a 136-hp 2.6-liter five-cylinder engine. But who can blame VW to have built by the VW T3, the best car in the world a few thousand allerallerletzte copies? "
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Wir sind hier alle verrückt . Niemand wird verschont!
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Anyone who drives a nearly thirty year old vehicle is clearly operating on the fringes of sanity
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Terry Kay wrote:


That Dodge is a little rough, it will bring what a Vanagon would in the same shape.

That may well be true, but one is from the 60s while the other's from the 80s.

Apples to oranges.

How much would a 67 bus in similar shape cost?
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