VIN Question on 23 window clone HELP

[imf222]

Hi all

I can buy a 15 window 1963 de luxe
with a samba roof and extra cargo doors added

I want to buy it but have some doubts
wether this really was a 15 window

The VIN is on the M tag is 7062923

The car should be a 1963 15 window

Can it be ? I believe it is a 1966 or 1967
car.

Please give me your idea.

I can send a picture of the M tag The vin tag
is gone i am affraid .

The whole m tag reads:

28N
425 081 114 130 139
UD 2512 381370 706 2923

Any help greatly apreciated

[EverettB]

Yes, 7062923 is a '67 Bus.

2512 - 251 is the model # so it was a Deluxe but it started as a 13-Window Deluxe if that is the original M-code plate.
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[imf222]

Thanks Everett That helps. Any thoughts
on this kind of conversion ?

It looks to be done in a good way.

To finish wiil make a totall of 45000$

Will it be worth the effort or would i be
better of with a 23 window original wreck ?

[olliehank47]

Since the VIN tag is gone, you really don't know the year of the bus until you locate the stamped VIN--if it's still there. Switching m-code plates is easy, so you could have a legitimate 15 window after all. If it is a 63 or 67, look in the engine compartment for the stamped VIN (just to the right of the rear apron sheet metal). If it's not there, you have other problems.

[joe56vw]

[EverettB]

So you can buy it fully restored for $45000?

It could be worth that much money if the quality is extremely nice and it is done correctly.
It will not be worth the same as a real 23-Window (obviously).

There is some risk though - I agree with the other comments above.
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[Vintagespeed]

how far did the conversion go?

it's one thing to add corner windows and a samba clip, but how about just about all off the rest... a 67 has other handles, no church key, has innies instead of outer engine vents, etc.

I wouldn't pay 45k for a hack, but it's up to you. If it's a REALLY nice bus it might not matter too much, but damn it would have to be a near perfect clone fot that money.

If it's an actual 63 15window, with wrong Mcode tag, it'll be a pretty good conversion as most off the other stuff remains the same (except for the belly pans).

Pics would help A LOT

[pondoras box]

If the VIN matches the title then if you like it get it. You won't touch a real 23 basket case for less than 15 to 20 grand unless you know where one is that the owner doesn't read the adds here or watch auto auctions on tv.

I would roll a 20/20 23 window if the price is right, I like 23 Windows and would rather have a real one but let's face it with today's ridiculous prices I wouldn't buy one even if I had the cash. I don't think it would be a responsible decision to make. But a clone that's priced right that I could drive and not worry about, then yeah you're speaking my language. Laugh at my fake or hack but make no mistake my smile would be real!

63's came with lips on the rear wheel openings and innie vents and corner Windows, fried eggs, and big tail lights, as well as low hinge cargo doors! I would think if the corner Windows were already done the the next hardest thing would be hiding the 67 only gas cap and earlier front doors. Not impossible. Swap aprons and deck lid then yeah you would fool a lot.

But the problem lies when it comes time to sell just be straight up and realize that it is a clone and price accordingly. If this is an investment then probably should walk away unless you can get it done really nice and sell for a profit at 40 grand or so.

The opinion expressed in this post is the opinion of this individual and probably will not reflect the opinion of the owner of this site or the majority of the readers of this thread!
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[CaLiBus]

The bus crowd- generally wont pay top dollar for a hack

The general public - will pay top dollar for a hack.

Fact- 90k turned down for a HACK 23 dbl door at a public auction this year!

Just bringing everyone up to speed with the latest...

[EverettB]

[55samba]

Is this the one? What I can read on the low res m-plate is the same. Description is clearly the same. Did you buy it?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1610786

Not many people could finish that for the amount you are quoting.

[j.pickens]

If you are planning to pay someone to do the work on this bus, run away!

If you are doing the work yourself, AND all the parts which bolt to the bus are included in the sale, you could do alright.
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[imf222]

I bought it The vin on the m plate is
wrong They used the seat bodys from a walk thru
The Stamped vin nr is from a 63 de luxe
It even has the original 1963 title.

I orderrdca birth certificate in februari
but nothing yet.

I can buy another one so i have this
one for sale I paid around 25k ex transport

Do not see how i will get it back but
you never know.