Convertible 12V Semaphore Help

brandenburg · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:33 am Post subject: Convertible 12V Semaphore Help

I have been searching for 12V convertible semaphores but haven't had any luck. I have a 1960 euro convertible that didn't have the semaphores when I bought the car. Does anyone know where I could fine some? I am converting the car to 12V and my search has yielded nothing. Thanks VW community for the help in advance!

bluebus86 · Banned Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075

I don't know if these were made or not in a 12 volt version. however a 6 volt one could be re-wound to run on 12 volts possibly. or you can use a voltage divider to drop the 12 volts to 6 volts for the semaphores.
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brandenburg · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:10 pm Post subject:

I found, through EIS, some 6v semaphores for convertibles but I wanted to see if anyone knew where to purchase 12v semaphores before I pulled the trigger on those and just did a step down. Thanks for the suggestion.

VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:28 pm Post subject:

Not going to find whats not in demand..
Add a voltage dropping resistor in series for each side and move on with your project.

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Erik G · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject:

the repro 12v semaphores are junk

the eis 6v ones might be junk too, they are hit and miss on almost all their stuff

I'd try to find some originals, and use a voltage drop. There are people running 6v originals on 12v with no problem, but you will smell them burn after 30 seconds or so.
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VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:50 pm Post subject:

I looked at the EIS semaphores..

They seem to contradict each other in the description . Sedan Vs Convertible Vs what below??

Im not a semaphore ID expert by no means.. but if Sedan and Convertible are slightly different.. how can the EIS ones.. fit both?

http://www.eisparts.com/113953021F-6V.html

I don think they are the same.. cant be.. and you'd be paying more for the same reproduction part everybody sells.. thats mislabeled convertible..

Everybody else says NOPE..

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-113-953-021-F6V

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/semaphores.php

Id bet you could make a pair of 12 volt sedans work on a convertible.. Wink

Not too much different.

Bruce · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject:

brandenburg · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject:

Guys, thanks for the input it is very help full. I guess the question now Volkswagenut is how much different are the Convertible Semaphores to the sedan ones? The Semaphore reference guide doesn’t really tell you that. If it is easy to convert sedan to convertible semaphores then who does that and what is the process? Can anyone answer that question? Thanks again!

Bruce · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:56 pm Post subject:

I've seen an instruction sheet before that shows how to do it. Maybe someone has a scan of that sheet?
The hook at the top of the base plate has to be modified so the semaphore can sit deeper into the pocket of the quarter panel. A sedan semaphore will stick out.
The lens also needs to be cut down so the semaphore can close more. This brings the outer tip flush with the quarter panel. You may have to modify the down bumper too.

Don't believe EIS. Sedan semaphores don't fit convertibles.
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RareAir · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:09 pm Post subject:

brandenburg · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:15 pm Post subject:

Does someone know the length difference between a sedan semaphore compared to a convertible semaphore?

RareAir · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:19 pm Post subject:

There exist a web page that describes converting a sedan semaphore to convertible. I looked into it several years ago, but it was very involved and the outcome was not too nice.

If you're car is worthy, and your pocket can absorb the cost, buy a set of vert semaphores. unfortunately, they are pricey. Figure $750+ for a pair needing restoration. $1500+ for a nice working set. $2000+ for a pair in awesome, show quality condition.

I just had 3 of my vert semaphores restored by the master Matt Ross. I started with very nice ones, Matt took them to the next level.

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brandenburg · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:33 pm Post subject:

Rareair, those look really nice! If anyone knows where I can find a set of convertible semaphores for sale please let me know. I would like to acquire a set for my car. Thanks again for all the input everyone!

hitest · Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:50 pm Post subject:

Rareair has the best bead on this thread. They are pricey, rare and the folks who finally have a pair are very reluctant to let them go. Honestly, a swap meet in Germany is the best bet on these. I researched and searched this subject for years with my '60 convertible. It had one working semaphore.

Don't forget to place a WTB ad for these. My hunch is folks would want to see the project you're working on before adoption papers are signed.
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brandenburg · Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:17 pm Post subject:

My hunch is folks would want to see the project you're working on before adoption papers are signed.

hitest, what are you talking about in this last comment? guess i am missing it...

hitest · Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:58 pm Post subject:

Often when people have rare parts- they don't want to sell them to a hoarder or a flipper. They want them to go on a car. It's common to hear the phrase, "Oh, what are you going to put them on?" If you answer, "A sedan I'm getting ready to make a 'vert out of." You probably won't get them. If you answer, "A European '60 vert that's missing them"- you'll more likely get them. I know one guy in town who wants to see the car first.
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brandenburg · Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:18 pm Post subject:

Ok I understand now. When I am ready I will post the Vert for all to see but not yet...muhahah!


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