Rebel wiring harness questions thread

Raven2685 · Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:15 pm Post subject:

So I have gotten. A desent amount done but I have 2 pictures I need to know what each wire does first is the turn signal and the 2nd is the ignition

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Dale M. · Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:13 pm Post subject:

IF these are standard VW colors on wires go to here....

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiringt1.php

And pick a year like 1968...

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Raven2685 · Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:28 pm Post subject:

I am not sure if it is or not it's off a mgtd kit cat mainly I am wanting to know what the copper wire strip is and where it goes but anyone that can tell me where the color codes go would would a great help

clonebug · Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:41 am Post subject:

The first picture looks to me like a Vw 67 turn signal switch with the headlight dimmer switch in the handle.

The black/green and black/white wires are for the turn signals. The brown wires are for the horn and headlight relay ground signals.

The 1967 wiring diagram will have all those colors documented and make it easy to hook up.

I based my lighting and engine primary wiring off the 1967 diagram and it is the simplest VW wiring you can follow.

I used stock taillights, turn signals and brake lights on my buggy so it was pretty easy to follow. I also used the stock 9 pin black box with the Emergency flasher switch.
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Dale M. · Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:56 am Post subject:

Buggy Brian · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:52 am Post subject:

Dale M. · Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:44 am Post subject:

Any switched (fuse block?) 12 volt source can be used for alt light...

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Buggy Brian · Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:43 am Post subject:

bim55 · Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:31 pm Post subject: 8 ckt VW universal kit question

Just finishing up with this kit and have to say the quality is pretty good and overall the kit is very complete. The instructions are weak, intentionally I think, you almost can wire your car just by following the labels on the wire.

But my kit has a wire marked "Hazard" sort of brown or tan in the dash bundle that is not mentioned or discussed in the instructions at all?

Anyone know what to do with it? Do I power it (+) or ground (-) it through a switch to operate the Hazard lights? OR does it need something more complicated in order to use it?

Thanks for any help.
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greggy

Great thread everyone. I am installing a basic 8 circut rebel kit. The generic hot-rod kit. i have all switches and lights ready to roll. in my wiring the alternator wires are not labled -save 2- one BIG red one marked "alternator"-it goes to the starter solenoid-but does it run off D+F or the D+M on the alternator? I have a white "alternator excitor" wire, no clue where it goes. I assume opposite of the big red one? What goes on the far back single terminal on the alternator?? and I do not have a resistor at the moment. Is that a must have as well?? Thanks

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Dale M.

If 2 wire alternator (Bosch AL82 style and some "white box" regulated Motorola's).....

IF Motorola AL 78 style (4 wire) external regulated...

These are ultimately how its works.... You will have to translate "Rebel" into "VW" speak... Notice the terminals on both types of alternators are labeled D+ and goes to Idiot Lamp whose other side is connected to key switched 12 volts...

Another issue may be "run on", but you should not worry about that unless you experience it...

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greggy

im at work at the moment, so i stole this picture from the web. behind that hose is another terminal..so i assume its the motorola 4-wire jobby.
which answers one of my questions--i think--i need to use an external
regulator. if so, i have a new ford style with the 4 plugs. labled I S A F.
anyone ever use one of those for your bugggys? just a thought since i already have it on hand

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Dale M.

That is a GENERATOR.... Requires a external regulator (VW Specific- Not something adapted from off the shelf) ....

Wired as ....

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greggy

Read you loud and clear Dale. Thank you. And thanks to everyone else too.

Wyntand

Hi everyone,
Is it cheaper to buy an already made wiring harness than trying to measure the total lengths of each colour wire I need to rewire my entire SWB buggy?
Has anyone ever calculated the amount of wiring needed?
Cheers
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joescoolcustoms

My first buggy, I bought the $ 50.00 EMPI Buggy wiring harness, good enough, simple basic buggy.

After buying additional wire because they were either too short, or not enough circuits, then buying more circuits because the basic kit did not have enough, then mixing it up do to too much the same color, crappy fuse block that kept coming loose, cheap wire insulation. No relays, no labeling.

My guess is I tripled my initial investment by the time I was done. Not to mention the time involved to figure it out, plan, re-route over and again.

Yes, the initial outlay appears a lot for a wired, labeled harness. But the time it now saves me is tremendous. Very little thought with all the wires labeled every 8 inches. Hardest part is figuring how I want to route the looms to look neat.
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clonebug

This is what my buggy wiring looked like when I first got it .

The first time I wired my buggy I used a 10 position fused box and all the lights and parts from a 1967 VW Bug. and a 8 position screw terminal.
The engine wires run along the tunnel on the passenger side to the engine compartment

It was the simplest diagram to follow and worked well.
I knew very little about wiring but just doing that job made me intimate with the workings of my buggy and I understood exactly what was happening when I was all done and could drive it.

I kept the engine and buggy lighting separate. All the lighting was attached to the body and never had to be disconnected to remove the body except for the two wires to the master cylinder and one wire to the horn that was mounted on the pan.

Almost every winter I would pull the buggy completely apart and do some sort of upgrade. Lucky for me the first wiring job allowed me to remove the body by unhooking just 8 wires from a screw terminal that ran all the engine wiring only.

Over the years I kept adding more and more stuff to it and as I came up with a better idea with wiring I would change it in the winter.

To say I have grown would be an understatement due to the fact my wiring has been changed so many times I can't count.
I love wiring now and keep messing with it every winter.
This is what it looks like now.

Engine compartment

Don't be afraid to wire it just to get it going. You can and probably will want to modify or add to it down the road.
After all a buggy is never done.........
You can make it as simple or complicated as you want.

Mine has creature comforts, reliability and power........ Cool

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Just keeping this thread fresh.

It's not a buggy but I am installing a Rebel Deluxe Harness in a friend's Squareback. He started the job himself but I had to pull it out and take over...

Before I started...

First thing I did was make a mounting bracket for the harness. I like the idea of spacing it up and off the body some.

Then I attached the fuse panel to the bracket with stainless machine screws. From there I dressed the wires out in 2 groups. One group is all the stuff going to the rear of the car and the dash stuff that's to the left of the steering column. The other group is the dash stuff going to the right of the steering column.

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Hank22

I've been away from my buggy for quite some time. Finally back into it. I have the Rebel VW deluxe harness and Im sitting here staring at wire. Does the Red Solenoid power wire go to the same lug on the starter as the battery cable? Thanks for your help

Edit Also where does the fusible Link go

Thanks Again


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