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airoldspeed
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 Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:03 am Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| sorry my mistake.. its not a "36" its a 30hp (alternator stand integrated into case) |
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airoldspeed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:17 am Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| BL3Manx wrote: |
| The one drawback is that it will also reduce the diameter of the clutch friction disc from 200mm to 180mm and make the clutch more prone to slip. You should ensure you have a new friction disc, a good pressure plate and the face of the 109 tooth flywheel is perfect. |
In my situation..about the 1300cc I have there the 180mm that have 130 teeth flywheel.
The fact that its the 130 and despite its 180mm I have to grind the bellhouse? right?
or its only need to grind when its "200mm 130teeth" |
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BL3Manx
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:28 am Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| airoldspeed wrote: |
In my situation..about the 1300cc I have there the 180mm that have 130 teeth flywheel.
The fact that its the 130 and despite its 180mm I have to grind the bellhouse? right?
or its only need to grind when its "200mm 130teeth" |
If you use the 130 tooth flywheel you will have to grind the bellhousing.
130 teeth= grind bellhousing and change starter motor (to 12v)
109 teeth= not grind bell housing, not change starter motor
180mm or 200mm is the diameter of the clutch disc, not the flywheel
| airoldspeed wrote: |
| sorry my mistake.. its not a "36" its a 30hp (alternator stand integrated into case) |
Generator (not alternator) stand integral with case was 36hp SAE (American), 34hp DIN (German)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/engine_letters.php
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airoldspeed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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BL3Manx Thanks for the help!!  |
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airoldspeed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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I checked old photos of my bellhousing it appears that was grind before... ?!  can anyone tell if it was just looking at this?
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BL3Manx
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| Install the 1300 engine with the 130 tooth flywheel and turn the crankshaft by hand with a wrench on the pulley bolt (pull the spark plugs first). You'll know right away if the bell housing needs clearancing |
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airoldspeed
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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Really thanks for the feedback!
So, it appears that I have to make some clearancing on the bellhousing.
Can I use any normal electric drill with this kind of grinding point set?:
Or there's other that can be better? |
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jspbtown
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| I used a grinding disc on a 4" grinder. Go slow. |
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mr_bill
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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In my Manx...I have a "1600"cc single port ...a Genuine VW "replacement" engine that has the 6volt (109 tooth) flywheel BUT uses a 200mm clutch! I converted it to 12V in late '90's & still have the SAME (OG) VW starter on it, but putting 12V to it
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airoldspeed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:48 am Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| jspbtown wrote: |
| I used a grinding disc on a 4" grinder. Go slow. |
Like this one? right?
I will try to find more pictures of bellhousings that was grind so I can make sure that I will just take off the necessary.. I will go slow for sure  .. it appears to be a very accurate job |
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jspbtown
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:05 am Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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Yup...you can also use the hard ones (for metal). They will be a bit quicker.
But again...GO SLOW. You only want to take off as much as you need so test fit the engine often. |
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airoldspeed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:19 am Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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| Thanks! I will make that for sure |
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clonebug
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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Just remember....Magnesium will burn.......very hot.......and you can't put it out........
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tgodber
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: engine swap |
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When i bought my first buggy it had a 1200 in it. The PO had started to convert to 12volt. When I tried the starter it made a horrible noise and did not engage.
I was a VW noobie so had no idea what was wrong.
I found out the 12volt starter needed the bushing changed. I traded for a 6volt starter and all was good.
Replaced engine with a 1600 and changed the bushing and got a 12volt starter again. I needed to clearance the housing. I did it by spinning the flywheel with the engine in place to mark the areas that needed to be ground.
Nine years later still have same 1600 motor and the same trans.
Interesting reading. http://www.thebugshop.org/bsfq12v6.htm
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