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c21darrel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:46 pm Post subject: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to get a |
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Im just about ready to order a new 2016 Tacoma. Currently on my 3rd 4runner now, its a 98 w/ 184K miles. I keep my cars a long time. There is almost no inventory on the Tacomas on lots and Im mixing some packages together to get everything I want. I need to order it. 2 dealers have told me if you order it there is no option other than to pay MSRP. Not 100% sure this part is true. They are popular trucks and they dont discount them much. Ive checked on Costco auto plan and TrueCar.
If anyone knows how to save a couple grand im all ears. No need to debate buying used, 2016 is a new interior, motor, exterior. No need to tell me to buy American, they are made here. Just looking for the least expensive way to buy/order a new Tacoma. Thanks _________________ GhiaBuild
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Bob Loblaw Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2008 Posts: 865 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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I myself have a 96 Taco and the Ol' Lady drives an '07 Taco 4-door. Great trucks.
As popular as they are, I'm not sure you're gonna be able to swing a deal on a special order. If you don't pay it, the next guy coming in probably will. Supply and demand, right. These trucks are in demand. Maybe if you can get 2 dealerships fighting for your business, but that's all I got for ya.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16878 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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knowing what I know of the car biz, there is little to no profit in selling new cars. I wouldn't be surprised that you will be paying full nut for the truck seeing you have mixed/matched trim levels.
if you want something from GM's COPO program, you pay what they ask...no questions.
perhaps someone with Toyota knowledge will step in, but I think you will end up paying msrp _________________
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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There are major misconceptions that dealers rake in the money on new cars.. ..
Very little profit in new cars.. so unless the manufacturer offers rebates not too much wiggle room for the dealers to make money and still save you money.
If you want to special order a new vehicle to your specs... you can and will pay the near full price.. No discounts.
It makes no difference of the brand make.. when you walk in a dealer to purchase new and the way you want it.. .. they got ya..
Never ever buy the first year of a newly redesigned model..
Plus you can save more after the new wears off.
Save some new, buy what's on the lot.. and near the end of the calendar (late Dec) year..or model year change over (July/Aug) may save you a little.
Want to save more..... buy certified used and/or off lease.
Just cause they are assembled in the USA doesn't make them American..
That's the facts..
Practice by trying to negotiate a Whopper down in price...... see how that goes...
Have it your way..
Buy at the your price
Pick one.
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67SingleCabGuy Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 193
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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First your in the wrong forum. Go to the 3rd Gen Tacoma forum here:https://www.tacomaworld.com/forums/3rd-gen-tacomas-2016.186/
Second you've got 3 responses already and all of them are wrong. Although one is half wrong.
Third go to NadaGuides and find the Invoice price the dealer is paying for the truck.
I'm on my third week of owning a 2016 Tacoma and while some dealers wont budge off of MSRP and some will budge a little off of MSRP there are plenty that will sell for Invoice. Your goal is to find them. Again go on the Tacoma forum and there are plenty of threads there telling you who paid what and where.
Invoice on my truck was $2,100 lower than MSRP. On my first visit they came down $500 off of MSRP. On my second visit they came down $1,200 off of MSRP. On my third visit I told them I wouldn't buy the truck unless they sold it for Invoice. The salesman went inside and printed out the Invoice price from their system. I already knew it from getting it on Nadaguides. He showed me the dealer Invoice print out which even included their Holdback amount, so I knew how much they were making on that. And thats what I paid.
Don't forget all dealers including Toyota receive Holdbacks from the mother ship. Toyota is 2%. On my truck it was roughly $800. You don't haggle on holdback.
So even is the dealer sells at Invoice they are still getting $800 from Toyota.
Finance some at the dealer as they will make a percentage of that. I got 2.9%.
There are plenty of people special ordering Tacomas on the Tacoma forum and paying Invoice.
Also you are partially wrong. Not all Tacomas are built here. Some are built in Mexico. First digit of the VIN=3=Mexico, 5=USA. Mine is 5.
You'll find a big debate on the Tacoma forum about build quality between US and Mexico if your interested.
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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"Dealer Invoice" is just as much of a scam as any other marketing tool used to sell you a new car. For many years all you heard about was "Employee Pricing" _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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gt1953 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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I will chime in on our Subaru Outback. Like you we did not want all the fluff dealers order. We ordered ours, went to a couple of dealers armed with information, Kelly Blue book, Nada Guide, Edmunds etc. compared all of the of the priced options. Told the dealers this is what we are going to pay period. Needless to say we did get the car for our price optioned the way we wanted. Stick to your guns, you will get the deal you want. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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Thanks for the info all...and the link to tacomaworld scab guy. Thats a great site. Loads of info, too much maybe. Found out I cant get some of the things i want, so I cant "have it my way" no matter what Im willing to pay. (About $40K plus TTL. is my budget)
According to tacomaworld SoCal is really tough to get much better than MSRP-$500...if you are fortunate. Paying invoice is impossible. Going to research buying out of area and road tripping pickup.
1. No leather interior unless you get a Limited.
2. I can get any color cloth interior i desire ... as long as its grey.
So ready to order the Limited, right. Oh, no 4X4 longbed on Limiteds. No hood scoop on the limited either. Dealer says I can get it from them, $1500 plus paint. No power seats on top of the line Limited WTF, my 98 4runner has power leather seats.
Im still researching...maybe a new 4Runner. _________________ GhiaBuild
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Bob Loblaw Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2008 Posts: 865 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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c21darrel wrote: |
So ready to order the Limited, right. Oh, no 4X4 longbed on Limiteds. No hood scoop on the limited either. |
I hate that hood scoop, at least the one on the Ol' Lady's '07. It doesn't do anything except reflect the sun into my eyes. If you're gonna put speed holes your trucks, at least make 'em function.
I like my '96 way more that her '07. Hers is a pig. _________________ sent from a phone using poor grammar and spelling |
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WM971252 Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2004 Posts: 1781 Location: Franklin CT
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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My Nissan van (NV 2500) was custom ordered and the dealer/ salesman did drop the price from the MSRP from Nissan's build site. The whole deal was a mess but we said what we wanted and the salesman went to the manger and came back with the lower price with no asking for it by me. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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You in California? I'd check with Longo toyota they are the number one volume seller in the entire United States. Also ck that toyota forum it's got a lot of good info. Tacomaworld. If you belong to a credit union some will have a service whereby they do the legwork finding the lowest price within a radius determined by you. The number two volume toyota dealer is in Florida. I've had a lot of Toyota trucks over the years. Currently driving a 06 X runner and 06 pre runner. Wife has a prius, our first prius is at 260k miles running strong all original including battery. Incidentally those hybrid batteries are 500 dollars with a one year guarantee now. So much for the oil company propaganda. Like everything else its all on YouTube. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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Thanks 1432, Im only 10 miles or so from Longo. Yes have been in contact with their guy. The issue is the truck i want, as all Tacomas are, is rare. 2016 Tacoma TRD Sport, 4X4, Longbed, White, with Technology package (adds sunroof along with JBL stereo, Nav ) there are 2 in California, not So Cal but the whole state. I have swallowed the fact if I want that truck i have to pay MSRP. Not a big deal all the tacomas are selling from a few hundred below to several thousand over MSRP. My local contacts cant get the dealer that has the 1 truck within 100 miles to send it to them. Im calling San Diego. _________________ GhiaBuild
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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Have you driven one yet? I have and was not impressed, but then again I didn't really get on and it only had 30 miles on the clock, maybe it will run better when it loosens up a bit. The new 3.5 does not develop as much torque as the old 4 liter. I do like the redesign both in and out though, I saw one on the road today looks good but I've got less than 200 k on my primary driver the 06 pre runner. With all the pre orders its only been a couple of weeks that you could see one at the dealership, these things are flying off the lot and they told me its MSRP priced here as well. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8211 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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Yes, I had driven the new Tacomas. Concur its not a torque monster. Like most purchases like this it was a lot of what I wanted not needed. I have a 98 4Runner Limited with 184K miles...they say they will do 300K...so it has lots of life left. The 4Runner is now the "dog truck" and I have the nice truck for everything else.
By far the most info I found was on Tacomaworld so thanks SCAB guy for that tip!
I like the mid size, the new look and that its a Toyota.
So Friday I road tripped down to San Diego and made the deal on the truck. Payed MSRP, the only extra was a set of floor mats, $200. They took off the $2500 set of side steps I wouldnt pay for and I was satisfied. They also gave me good financing, 1% for 60 months, best my credit union offered was 2.99. Thanks for all the help.
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Im ordering a new Toyota, looking for the best way to ge |
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Full MSRP huh?
I miss the days when I sold cars and people would do that. |
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