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Tim Emmons
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| Hi again; Not very good at wireing,but I seem to get by. I have a need to know how to wire the dome light switch in my 64 convert. It did not come wired, it was in a box of parts. I have nothing to go by. Any help out there? |
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Not specifically for a vert, but the wiring at the switch may give you a clue hoe to wire your car:
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Kenhoh
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| I found the easy way to get the wire through the driver side pulled to the light and switch was to use some small string with a knot at the end and feed the string into the pulled as a shop vac provides suction at the lamp site. Worked for me after hours of trying to push a wire around that piller corner. Good luck |
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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Applicable information from other topics.
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Convertible dome lamps were mounted to the rear "Hoop" bow forward surface in the center until the 1965 model year. In 1965 they were moved to the rear view mirror
Its a pretty simple light
The reproduction KARMANN Ghia (and Porsche 356) 343-947-111 light.. is very.... VERY similar .. (its the Same Coach Builder)
Pretty much... just remove the switch.. ( I think)
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Ahhhh the plot thickens... Its a flop top.
As for info on Convertible dome routing.. (up to 1965)
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Dome lamp power supply circuit RED wire from fuse box is routed within the main harness rearward towards the rear.
The red power wire exits the main harness at the right main hinge area and attaches to one terminal of the safety switch.
The safety switch is mounted to a bracket and screwed to the body wooden tack strip. Its mounted near where the main frame hinge bolts up and oriented so when the hinge folds down it makes contact to the button to open the contacts.
A second red wire is attached to the second terminal of safety switch and re-enters the main loom and continues to the engine compartment.
It then joins the ground wire in its own loom and is routed up towards the folding top through a semi hidden grommet in the body shelf above the engine.
The combined (red power and brown ground) loom continues up the rear top bow, usually sewn to the convertible top strapping or bow, towards the dome lamp box and lamp.
The ground circuit (brown wire) is routed with the power supply and back to the into main harness forward to the dash area where it is connected to one terminal of the (Ivory) toggle switch under dash, usually to the left of the steering column.
The toggle switch has 3 terminals and 3 positions.
Off (center)
Doors
On
The brown wire from the top is connected to the center toggle (off) neutral terminal.
Second terminal of the switch is connected to both left and right door ground switches with a brown wire.
Third terminal of the switch is connected to usually either a speedometer ground tab or a ground on body with a brown wire.
Basic operation
Red wire supplies live battery voltage to the dome lamp at all times the top is up. Safety switch opens the circuit with top folded down.
The toggle switch, is the door closed, manual on/off control switch grounding the dome lamp ground circuit.
If the doors are opened with the top up.. the door contacts ground the same control circuit for the lamp ( similar to a sedan).
Flip the the toggle switch to one side it grounds the lights for manual operation on (top up). flip it the other way allows door open control lamp operation via the door contacts (top up).
Center position is off.
Why a safety switch.. ??? 
The top down safety switch is a press to open the switch contacts safety switch. This insures the POWER circuit opens and the light isn't on with the top down...
Keeps it frying the top fabric or worse.... going....SPOOOOOF!
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Think thats right.. its been a while..
Whew....
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edited for spelling, grammar and clarified corrections.. 
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Tim Emmons
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| Thank you very much, That's just what I was looking for. I can now finish the wiring. Tim |
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Tim Emmons
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| Thank You I have the switch but no bracket, wasen't sure where it went. Tim |
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The Volkswagen Ranch
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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Tim, I am sending you a PM...I have just been through this on a 63 vert. Bob
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doubledoor64
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| I would love more info on this |
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lovethatconvertible
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| Tim, I am sending you a PM...I have just been through this on a 63 vert. Bob |
WHY the secret PM??? Can't you just simply post a wiring diagram and let the
Samba have it for others to find?
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56Cabrio
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| lovethatconvertible wrote: |
| ashley1 wrote: |
| Tim, I am sending you a PM...I have just been through this on a 63 vert. Bob |
WHY the secret PM??? Can't you just simply post a wiring diagram and let the
Samba have it for others to find? |
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The Volkswagen Ranch
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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Hey guys, no "secret" PM's.. I simply cannot get the jist of how to post pics from my iPad , and was going to ask for his email so I could send him some pics and my phone number to see if I could answer some questions....
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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The convertible interior lamp circuit was never in any VW diagrams that I know of.
Its a pretty simple circuit.. it basically didn't change from the Oval era cars until the 1965 model year when the lamp was moved to the rear view mirror.
Snagged this from the Oval forum.. 
The wiring harnesses are nearly the same as a sedan.
1958-64 convertible harnesses are routed in the right side heater channel as opposed to left side roof as sedans are.
Thats never noted in any diagram I am aware of.
In 1965 the harness was moved to the left floor to mimic sedans more closely.
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lovethatconvertible
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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Turns out, I had this diagram as well, VOLKSWAGNUT nails it again, I went out to the shop and built this diagram on a simple board and some sheet metal to see if it works, and it does, make sure all your switches are grounded, except for the top shut off switch as it is isolated anyway.
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My switch didn't work, so i decided to take it apart and see what was up, turns
out it was just very dirty inside so a good cleaning did the trick, here's
the inside for those who haven't been in there before, I was lucky as the tabs that hold it together were in very good condition.
The above pic didn't show the ball bearing, it just sits in the center lug,
i used Battery terminal grease on re- assembly on all parts.
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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^ Killer... .. Vw people seem to need those photos....dont they
Of course it works...
Nice job  ...
but
Technically..  the toggle switch is controlling the GROUND on/off .. not power off as labeled.. ,, then again... its not really a ground until the path is completed via a switch.. soooooo.
Yet still... an awesome and very nice illustration of whats going on.
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Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
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Tim Emmons
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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| Thanks ever s much, I can't thank you enough, It will make my life easer, and I'm sure the lifes of many more. Tim |
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lovethatconvertible
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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Yep, Ken's right again. The switch is only controlling the ground path. I miss used the word "power". 
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VOLKSWAGNUT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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^ No worries.. .. you provided pertinent and applicable information..
This will now be a great reference topic.
Bookmarked.
If someone has pictures of the rear dome harness body pass through points.. post em' up.
I would.. but it will be a while before I get to my next Convertible.. (1961). 
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Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
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lovethatconvertible
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| Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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Here's some pictures of my dome light loom routing, one of the red wires comes from the fuse block at the front of the car, and as you would guess the other red wire feeds back into the loom and into the engine compartment and comes back into the rear firewall with a brown wire, which is coming from the front of the car. These feed up the rear over the window wood bow to the dome light. I also posted a better picture of the overall Dome light wiring project i did.
Please excuse the wood bows, as they are templates i'm making and not the prettiest. But I'm getting there
Edit, I'm robbing the ground wire off the two conductor block in the engine compartment and running it to my rear lights for a dedicated ground. Works Great
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Wiring convert dome light switch |
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^
And now.. in FAQ's (sticky's)
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101972
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Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
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