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JPro62 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:26 am Post subject: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in front |
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I have a motor that came out of a sand rail that I am installing into a sedan. It was set up for behind the shroud linkage. It has dual 44 idf webers. Can I simply change the linkage bases from left to right to make it in front the shroud? How do I swap the carb pivot hardware from back to front? The throttle stops can be moved, but the carbs only have provisions for the return spring on the shaft to mount on one side. Are behind the shroud carbs built different? _________________ 1962 Beetle
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Chip Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Utah
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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I'd say just swap the carbs from side to side. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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There is no difference is way carbs are made other then you can swap them from side to side and you can change the hardware on ends of shafts that the throttle arms and idles speed screws are on.... A IDF is IDF to best of my knowledge there is only one basic design for the carb body, you just place in according to whats necessary for linkage and fit...
Manifolds are different there is several styles as to straight and offset, or tall or short.... Also air cleaner bases will determined how front of shroud linkage works (fits), it has to be paired with straight or offset manifolds...
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SBD Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3269 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Just thinking on the fly here... I would start by unbolting the manifolds from the heads with the carbs attached, swapping everything side for side, and seeing where that left me. A lot of stuff might just fall into place. Maybe... _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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JPro62 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2012 Posts: 98 Location: Hamden, CT
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Wow, is there a record for biggest brain fart? Looks like swapping sides fixes it. Only problem is the fuel barbs face towards the rear of the car now. They appear to be pressed in or at least the non barb side is not threaded and cast over. _________________ 1962 Beetle
1974 Super Beetle (Sold)
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2008 Posts: 1302 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Doghouse oil cooler might be an issue with the pivot or crossbar linkage if that's the type fan shroud you have. |
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2008 Posts: 1302 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Doghouse oil cooler might be an issue with the pivot or crossbar linkage?? |
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JPro62 Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2012 Posts: 98 Location: Hamden, CT
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Stupid question, I have a pair of offset MB stamped manifolds that I picked used here on the samba. The linkage isn't parallel to the shroud, it is close to hitting the fan shroud on the passenger side. I swapped the manifolds from side to side, but same issue. Are offset manifolds designed to be left and right sided, could I have two left side ones? _________________ 1962 Beetle
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Problem could be wrong air cleaner base (hex bar pivot points)....
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JPro62 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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They are CB Plates. One is stamped 3024L and the other 3024R. The 3024R is on the passenger side and the pivot is more towards the shroud. Looking at the CB site it appears that number is their 6481. Looks like I may need to order their 3266 kit or just the right side 3413. _________________ 1962 Beetle
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Mikedrevguy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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JPro62 wrote: |
Wow, is there a record for biggest brain fart? Looks like swapping sides fixes it. Only problem is the fuel barbs face towards the rear of the car now. They appear to be pressed in or at least the non barb side is not threaded and cast over. |
Swap the carbs left for right?
Might that also have addressed the issue of linkage? _________________ 74 1303 (RevBug): plan for German Look
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20380 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Mikedrevguy wrote: |
JPro62 wrote: |
Wow, is there a record for biggest brain fart? Looks like swapping sides fixes it. Only problem is the fuel barbs face towards the rear of the car now. They appear to be pressed in or at least the non barb side is not threaded and cast over. |
Swap the carbs left for right?
Might that also have addressed the issue of linkage? |
It addresses the fuel inlet facing wrong way.... As for linkage, it all depends on what is there now and how it has been bastardized over time...
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JPro62 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Looking at photos of weber idf's they all appear to have the fuel inlet as a threaded insert. Mine is pressed in. It is stamped with Weber Brevettato. Are these spanish webers or some knock offs? _________________ 1962 Beetle
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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JPro62 wrote: |
Looking at photos of weber idf's they all appear to have the fuel inlet as a threaded insert. Mine is pressed in. It is stamped with Weber Brevettato. Are these spanish webers or some knock offs? |
Those are early generation Italian or Spanish Webers... The later generations have threaded fuel inlets....
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esde Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Changes required to go from behind the shroud to in fron |
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Dale M. wrote: |
Mikedrevguy wrote: |
JPro62 wrote: |
Wow, is there a record for biggest brain fart? Looks like swapping sides fixes it. Only problem is the fuel barbs face towards the rear of the car now. They appear to be pressed in or at least the non barb side is not threaded and cast over. |
Swap the carbs left for right?
Might that also have addressed the issue of linkage? |
It addresses the fuel inlet facing wrong way.... As for linkage, it all depends on what is there now and how it has been bastardized over time...
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Don't swap the whole carb, just the tops. |
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