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barfy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:49 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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We ended up getting a 2016 accord v6 |
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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slave1pilot wrote: |
You guys kill me
any of you naysayers actually own a Kia or a Hyundai?
Or maybe even had any ACTUAL experience with one? |
THIS. My folks own a 2012 Hyundai Sonata and love it, and the several times I've driven it I was quite impressed- basically drove like an Accord for thousands less. Great acceleration, comfy interior, good handling- nothing bad to say about it at all.
I also owned a 2013 Kia Soul 6 speed manual, and didn't ever really have a problem with IT per se, but did have a BIG problem with the local Kia dealership taking 3 weeks to fix something rudimentary on it and refusing to give me a loaner. It got so bad I had to call their sister dealership and ask them to find out what the holdup was, and if THEY could send me a loaner. Their service manager called me back about an hour later and said a) Yes we can get you a loaner, and b) the service manager at my local dealership had just been fired. But the Soul was a decent enough car. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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barfy wrote: |
We ended up getting a 2016 accord v6 |
Aside from that Kia Soul I mentioned in my last post, I've owned nothing but Honda Accords since 2001.
But the absolute best car I ever owned was my rare 2007 Accord V6 six speed manual SEDAN-- Honda only made the V6/ 6 speed manual in a sedan version for 2 years (2006 and 2007.) It was an absolute BLAST to drive. Man I wish I still had that car.
That said, Honda has really seemed to suffer from a habit of phasing out the "fun factor" of their cars over the last several years-- the 8th gen Accord (starting in 2008) looked and drove like a grandma's car, and they've discontinued the Prelude and the S2000. Then in 2012 there was the awful cheap Civic that got so many complaints they did a mid-year overhaul on it. I want to still like and defend Honda but they're making it awfully difficult. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69820 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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Speaking of Kias, I saw a post elsewhere recently that said Kia is particularly bad about honoring warranty issues.
A number of people chimed in to say this was true, including a couple ex-Kia service people.
They also have some ongoing issue with engine buildup, possibly causing engine failure, which they then blamed on improper maintenance by the owner, even when records of oil changes every 3,000 miles were presented.
I don't know if all of that is a frequent occurrence but something to research.
This also included not giving loaner cars as you mentioned. _________________ How to Post Photos
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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EverettB wrote: |
Speaking of Kias, I saw a post elsewhere recently that said Kia is particularly bad about honoring warranty issues.
A number of people chimed in to say this was true, including a couple ex-Kia service people.
They also have some ongoing issue with engine buildup, possibly causing engine failure, which they then blamed on improper maintenance by the owner, even when records of oil changes every 3,000 miles were presented.
I don't know if all of that is a frequent occurrence but something to research.
This also included not giving loaner cars as you mentioned. |
This is all true, at least from my experience.
They made me sign a disclaimer saying if they got into tearing the car down and then determined that the problem was somehow caused by "the way I drove the car," that I would be responsible for the labor cost up to that point plus the cost to put it back together. They would absolutely not start work on it until I signed that. I asked them what's the point of the warranty if you can just go into people's cars and then conveniently determine that it's their fault putting the customer at the complete mercy of the service dept? I went ahead and signed it but that was the beginning of my decision to not ever own another Kia, even though they did (eventually) fix mine under warranty.
Another thing-- Kia also overstated their fuel mileage on a bunch of their models, and were called out on it by the EPA (their excuse was that they tested the fuel efficiency of their cars using OTHER--but still legal--methods, whatever.) So they had to start a compensatory program for Kia owners... the way it worked was, you had to take the car to your dealership, they would record the mileage and then contact Kia Corporate who would then send you a Visa prepaid card based on the calculated fuel consumption difference. And then you went and got your card re-credited every year. You hear so much all over the news today about VW's emissions cheating scandal, but you never really heard anything at all about that little escapade. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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Bob Loblaw Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2008 Posts: 865 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:24 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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sb001 wrote: |
You hear so much all over the news today about VW's emissions cheating scandal, but you never really heard anything at all about that little escapade. |
'Cause Kia isn't #1 in the world. Everybody guns for #1. _________________ sent from a phone using poor grammar and spelling |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:52 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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Bob Loblaw wrote: |
sb001 wrote: |
You hear so much all over the news today about VW's emissions cheating scandal, but you never really heard anything at all about that little escapade. |
'Cause Kia isn't #1 in the world. Everybody guns for #1. |
Is that in your law blog? _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5156
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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My brother-in-law and his father love Hondas. For me they are way too boring...but that's just individual taste.
BUT...his father just told me that his almost brand new Odyssey (19k miles) tossed a timing chain (belt? he said it "jumped 8 teeth") and tore up both heads. Obviously under warranty but not something I was expecting.
Then his son tells me his really brand new CRV has been in the shop 3 times already for a terrible engine vibration. They keep telling him its a software issue but it remains unfixed.
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vwnut1 Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2012 Posts: 495 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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In reality those 10-year 100K warranties are great for marketing but are written by attorneys to favor the auto maker;
"What Is Covered In A 10 Year Warranty?
If you read the fine print, the 10 year warranty is a limited powertrain warranty. This means that only selected engine, transmission, and transaxle parts are covered. Any other part that fails has other coverage terms.
What Is Not Covered In A 10 Year Warranty?
Basically, anything else you can think of falls under only the basic warranty which in most cases is 5-years / 60,000-miles. This is actually a pretty solid warranty as well, however, the things that are not covered in the 10 year warranty are:
All non-powertrain components
Radio and audio system
Paint and finish
Sheet metal perforation or rust
Battery
Air conditioning
Catalytic converter
Brakes, belts, clutch, filters, lights
In fact, many of the above mentioned items are not even covered under the 5 year warranty. For example, the AC system typically has a 1 year warranty coverage." _________________ 1957 VW Oval Resto Mod |
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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However, cat converters and other pollution control devices usually have a Federal Warranty.
Some states (like CA & MA I think) have longer pollution control devices warranties as well |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2003 Posts: 510
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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Just bought my first Honda Accord, after many years of Toyotas, once Beetles were not practical for everyday. Love it so far, it is 2014, used, with Honda certified 7 yr./100K on everything. Very comfortable, I drive 25K a year for my business, and most of it is reimbursed from my company for mileage. The 4cylinder is peppy, after I put a performance intake upgrade, and have been getting 37mpg. The CVT took a little getting used to, but we are good together now. Will continue to upgrade, or PIMP, my ride as I have always done since my first car, a 64 Rambler 770 many years ago. |
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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You can "pimp" an Accord?
Who knew! |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:40 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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jspbtown wrote: |
You can "pimp" an Accord? |
http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/289823.jpg
On the warranty, I own a Soul and have had warranty work done twice with no problem. They even towed it from my home to the next state for the work (stuck T stat). And while it was there, one floor mat was coming apart. The service manager said that it would probably have to be ordered since it wasn't in stock and Kia wouldn't overnight it. When I went to pick up my Soul the next day, it had a new mat that was overnighted. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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sb001 wrote: |
maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:18 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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But why? |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:02 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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Because they can and did. Besides, what a boring existence if we were all the same _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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Enkiel Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2004 Posts: 2771 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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EverettB wrote: |
Speaking of Kias, I saw a post elsewhere recently that said Kia is particularly bad about honoring warranty issues.
A number of people chimed in to say this was true, including a couple ex-Kia service people.
They also have some ongoing issue with engine buildup, possibly causing engine failure, which they then blamed on improper maintenance by the owner, even when records of oil changes every 3,000 miles were presented.
I don't know if all of that is a frequent occurrence but something to research.
This also included not giving loaner cars as you mentioned. |
Had the same experience with hyundai...
i had a clunk clunk in my front wheel, and when i went to have it checked, they said that if it was the brake, i would have to pay for labour to check it out.
In the end it was a front bearing that was damaged, and was replaced for free... i didnt really like their attitude.
But isnt it the same with all company? Subaru wasn't too keen either to give "free checkup" when something was wrong with our Tribeca... _________________ 1964 Turkis Flipseat |
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sb001 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: 2015 hyndai azera anything good, bad, about them? |
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60ragtop wrote: |
jspbtown wrote: |
You can "pimp" an Accord? |
http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/289823.jpg
On the warranty, I own a Soul and have had warranty work done twice with no problem. They even towed it from my home to the next state for the work (stuck T stat). And while it was there, one floor mat was coming apart. The service manager said that it would probably have to be ordered since it wasn't in stock and Kia wouldn't overnight it. When I went to pick up my Soul the next day, it had a new mat that was overnighted. |
Congrats. Did they offer you a loaner??
Not only did the dealership make me sign a waiver for the transmission work they did, the power steering was gone when I went to pick it back up, and when I tried to explain this to the mechanic who worked on it, he simply said "naah that's just the way they drive." Dude, I think I KNOW when my power steering is gone. He told me to take it home and drive it a couple days and "see if it gets any better," I said OK and go halfway home before I realized I also didn't have a working speedometer! I immediately realized that a wiring harness had obviously been left unplugged, and returned to the dealership where I pointed this out. Of course that fixed everything...
Until about 2 weeks later, when I was driving down the road and the car suddenly went into limp home mode. It was still drivable but absolutely would not rev past 2000 RPMs, which makes it REAL interesting trying to accelerate and shift through gears in a manual! I took it back to the dealership (remember, only one in my area) who told me it was the aftermarket cruise control the original dealership installed that I had purchased the car from 3 hours away, and they would not do anything about it. So I had to drive the car in limp home mode 3 hours to the original dealership who again kept the car for 3 days with NO LOANER to fix it.
Again congrats on your Soul, but I won't touch another Kia based on the "service" I've received from their dealerships.
EverettB wrote: |
They also have some ongoing issue with engine buildup, possibly causing engine failure, which they then blamed on improper maintenance by the owner, even when records of oil changes every 3,000 miles were presented.
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I forgot to address this in my earlier post. 60ragtop, I sure hope you are doing that fuel treatment if you have a GDI engine:
http://www.kiasoulforums.com/137-soul-general-discussion/69705-fuel-additives.html
This is required to help avoid the issue that Everett mentions here, and is in the maintenance schedule, even though some dealerships (like mine) don't even know about it. But if the day ever comes when you need to have warranty engine work done, trust me they will most likely check to see whether you did this.
If it helps any, all their special fuel treatment is, is Chevron Techron. It's even in the same exact bottle at the dealership, except it says Kia on it instead of Chevron. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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