VW 120v Generator Industrial

[Ian]

Looking for any information, pictures, leads, etc. on VW 1100/1200/1300/1500/1600 aircooled powered industrial generators (gas or propane). I know they have different things than a normal motor, like a special industrial camshaft and distributor. I'm sure they all end in a normal flywheel, but then what would they connect with to create AC current? Looking to make semi-OK electrical power. I searched "generator" but most of the results are about 12v generator issues. Thanks!
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[67rustavenger]

Wow. Tough hunt for this one pic. It was the only generator pic in the 12 pages that I searched through. I used the search term "industrial".
There were a few references to a back up power supply for the original Disney trains using VW industrial engines.
Good Luck.
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[busdaddy]

I'm reasonably sure the cam is the same as a road motor, but the flywheel is oddball (see the black starter motor sticking out towards the camera in the pic?).

Are you thinking of building something Ian?
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[67rustavenger]

Wow! That's a lot of engineering just to keep the generator armature as close to engine as possible. Interesting though. I too wonder if there is a generator build in the works. I have seen VW industrial powered saw mills in the past. Seemed like a sound idea.
I think there might be cam differences. When I was searching for the above image, I did notice that there were a few pics of cams. Also a majority of the industrial engines utilized magneto's. A magneto might not be required if a generator is used to recharge the starter battery. Seems that most of the magneto engines were hand crank style.
Good Luck.
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[busdaddy]

Then you need to hit Craigslist for a PTO generator, ditch the gearbox and devise a coupler to fit the splines on a cut down bellhousing. Careful when shopping, some make thier power at 1800 RPM and others at 3600, don't know if you'd be in the peak VW HP range at 1800. I don't know what math would determine how many HP it would take to drive it directly but most are geared up from 540 RPM PTO shaft speed, maybe compare KW output VS: HP to similar direct drive units?

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[coad]

You've read the manuals, right?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/industrial.php

[Ian]

I live in Houston and need to figure something out for the long term as I posted this several years ago.

A 220v generator would be fine if I could split a leg off for 110v.

Test, recalibrate, test.
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[busdaddy]

Something like this would do the trick: https://www.ebay.com/itm/10KW-ST-Generator-Head-1-...SwpzdWs5c9
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[goober]

I never built something like that but I thought about it.

Harbor Freight sells a belt driven generator head. It's rated at 10000 watts at 3600 rpm. They say 120/240 vac but single phase? 240 is in the same phase? I believe you'd need a 240 vac 2 phase gen (2, 120 lines out of phase) to run a submersible well pump.

Use a starter adapter to mount a starter.

I have an old 3-finger 9-spring pressure plate stripped to the mounting plate. An 8" double cast iron or steel pulley could be brazed or welded to it. You could make up a special gland nut to center it. I looked for a double pulley online but could only find a single steel 8" pulley. 2 pulleys could probably be brazed or welded together.

A lot of work and expense for a maybe/iffy project. And then there's how would you regulate/govern the gas to control the rpm/frequency? Microprocessor?

https://www.harborfreight.com/10000-watts-max-7200-watts-rated-belt-driven-generator-head-45416.html

https://www.vwnos.com/vwnos-1010?gclid=eaiaiqobchmi98vf3ppy7givyfdach2j7al4eaqyasabegjncvd_bwe

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/weasler-...%20pulley#

Just a thought.

[busdaddy]

Yeah, I guess a governer would be useful, here's some: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2189417

Belts would work, or direct drive with a spider coupling, or a giant version of a steering coupler.
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[oprn]

I would be extremely surprised if there was a different cam shaft in the industrial engine. The power band and the cooling system as designed are a good match and changing the cam to have peak power at a different rpm would also entail changing the fan speed to match. The stock set up peaks in the 3 to 4K range which is exactly where you want it for power generation.

I am not sure why you would go with an air cooled VW engine. A diesel would last longer, be more fuel efficient and you could burn heating grade diesel without the road taxes. Running a gasoline engine at pump prices makes for expensive power.

The other option if you insist on an air cooled engine is to go natural gas for fuel if you have a line to your home. Next best cost wise would be propane with a big tank in the yard. That will get you under the road tax issue too.
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[Jacks]

Maybe you could start with this:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2450248
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[Ian]

Not sure yet.

The little Honda 3000 powered the furnace, a space heater, and some miscellaneous electrical outlets for 3 days.

Just for emergencies, nothing crazy like a Willy Wonka granola bar factory or anything.
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[oprn]

We have a 3000 watt and it does not have enough jam to start the water well. Runs everything else but water is pretty essential!
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