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asesapie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 756 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: Movement in my king pins? |
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well it seems i have some slop in my kingpins on my drop spindles in my bus. what I'm wondering is if its easy enough for me to do, just order new kingpins and rebuild them myself or should I send them out to someone either local or not to have them rebuilt if its something that you need some bigger shop tools to do so?
here is a vidoe of the movement i took earlier, it moves right above the bottom link pin. it looks like the king pin to me. what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fJ3xboAM18s |
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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asesapie wrote: |
here is a vidoe of the movement i took earlier, it moves right above the bottom link pin. it looks like the king pin to me. what do you think?
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holy crap, is anything adjusted properly on that front end? i didn't see anything that was not moving. frightening. looks like excessive wheel bearing play, doesn't look like the link pins are cinched up. and yes, that is excessive king pin play and will need to be completely disassembled to be repaired. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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CBRUNO Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2012 Posts: 66 Location: Lee Center NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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you can remove the spindle's and bring them to a local automotive machine shop they will press in the bushing's and ream them for proper size. |
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Mortimer Bondurant Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2010 Posts: 40 Location: The Channeled Scablands
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I looked around Spokane, wanting to patronize the locals first, and couldn't find anything. Then I sent mine off to Aaron at Widefive.net and couldn't be happier with the workmanship, turnaround time, and price. Both will fit inside of a flat rate USPS box if you finagle them just right. And remember, if it fits, it ships.
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joe56vw Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2004 Posts: 3202 Location: Olympia wa
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asesapie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 756 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well I know the wheel bearings are adjusted properly as I just did that yesterday. But that's when I noticed the movement in the king pins. And I didn't really notice anything moving too much except for the king pin movin I thought that both the link pins were mounted solid. |
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WideFive SBS Hit Squad
Joined: August 20, 2002 Posts: 1147 Location: Litchfield, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Mort - Thanks for the kind words.
asesapie - Let me know if I can help. I've rebuilt lots of other people's dropped spindles. If you had them flipped, contact the company that did the work. They may be able/willing to work with you.
Don't be surprised if that lower king pin is wasted or the upper one is pounded at the link pin surface. That's pretty nasty looking under there. _________________ Aaron D. Badertscher
Click here for ALL my links. |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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joe56vw wrote: |
Greg aka campingbox rebuilds them also he does great work and is in olympia wa. |
Thanks Joe.
If I can help let me know. I will be at the Springmeet event this weekend and can deliver spindles and/or pick up cores there.
If the wheel bearing is properly adjusted you might want to take a closer look at the bearing itself and make sure the races are not spun in the drums. I would also take a close look at those linkpins. They clearly are either not adjusted properly or are in poor shape. |
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asesapie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 756 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Aaron I will keep you in mind. Yeah I had a local buddy flip them for me about 3 years ago do I dont know if he just flipped them and called it good or what? But anyway Greg I might send them over with a buddy that's going to spring meet if my other friend here doesn't have time to rebuild them for me. I'll let you know. Thanks for the responses guys I kinda figured these things needed to be fixed up they do look real bad with all that moving around.
Side note: where is the best place to get the new king pin and link pin kits? Might as well do them all since they will be off anyway. Or if Greg or Aaron could shoot me a price to rebuild? |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dan's king and linkpins are a little rough.
I think these kingpins are a bit too messed up to be cut on a lathe, but they can be reground with decent results. They will never be perfect again though.
On top of worn kingpins and worn kingpin bushings, these spindles were not gusseted, have no lower phenolic bushings, no lower grease seal, the upper kingpin was not clearanced to clear the torsion arm, which caused binding, the retaining pin was hammered in place because the kingpin groove was not aligned properly, and the tierod eye was enlarged with a drill bit to accept a stock bus tierod end, which fits loose in the hole. |
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durfeec Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2010 Posts: 1279 Location: Mio, MI
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I think the whole gusseting thing is debatable. Not everyone gussets where they grind. I know I didn't. I only ground out what absolutely needed to. It took a while with fitting.
But the rest sounds like his buddy did a great job. Lol. How do you plan on fixing the drilled out tie rod hole? _________________ 1960 Bus Panel/Camper |
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hubCapT Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2003 Posts: 337
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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A tappered reamer and enlarge it to a bay window tie rod end? _________________ "I have always thought that stereotypes were a real time saver." cdennisg |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: |
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hubCapT wrote: |
A tappered reamer and enlarge it to a bay window tie rod end? |
Absolutely. That will make them perfect again. |
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offshores Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2012 Posts: 1085 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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I just noticed that I have no seals and there's some vertical movement on the king pin. Wheels bearings are nice and adjusted and so are the links. The only play I have is when I put hands on drum at 6:00 o'clock and lift up. Clunk, clunk! Clunk, clunk!
Would having seals eliminate this or is it time for a full rebuild?
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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offshores wrote: |
I just noticed that I have no seals and there's some vertical movement on the king pin. Wheels bearings are nice and adjusted and so are the links. The only play I have is when I put hands on drum at 6:00 o'clock and lift up. Clunk, clunk! Clunk, clunk!
Would having seals eliminate this or is it time for a full rebuild?
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You should see no noticeable play in the kingpins - with - or without seals. |
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offshores Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2012 Posts: 1085 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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Could just replacing the bushings eliminate this play? |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10196 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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offshores wrote: |
Could just replacing the bushings eliminate this play? |
Yes, remachining the kingpins, replacing the bushings, and cutting the two bushings to size and aligning them correctly will eliminate the play. |
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offshores Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2012 Posts: 1085 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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I was hoping it would be as easy as changing the center pin bushings. Oh well, looks like I'll be spending some money in Washington real soon.
Thanks |
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asesapie Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2005 Posts: 756 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: movement in my king pins? |
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Greg's spindles are great, well worth the money spent. |
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