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 Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| It's true, Pedro's BFGs look totally legit. They've got the right sidewall proportion and tread design. They look like they're straight outta 1964. |
t3kg you saw them in person also you drove it around at the Classic parking lot 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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What we really need is someone to repop the original Continentals!
I remember a thinner whitewall version of this with a molded "ridge" in the sidewall to protect the white stripe, too.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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Way back in late 1976 I plunked down an astronomical sum for a set of 5 of these in white stripe for my Squareback. These cured me of ever running bias plies again:
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:10 am Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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The Pirellis are made by Pirelli. The Michelins I bought were manufactured in a Michelin plant in Serbia, which is not exactly a third world country. The quality is comparable the XZXs I've bought 15-20 years ago.
I'd like to see some documentation that Coker is actually manufacturing Michelins and not just distributing them. Michelin has an international brand reputation to uphold. Allowing a third party to produce inferior reproduction tires under the Michelin name doesn't make sense.  Likewise Pirelli.
http://www.michelinclassic.com/fr/Gamme-Collection
https://www.cinturato.net/ |
ok, I would absolutely agree with you, but I've done the research after having problems with firestones from him
from his website
"To overcome the challenge of producing brand new tire designs, Corky determined early on that he was his own best source of vintage treads, by purchasing discontinued molds from old factories. He literally searched the world, including South America, the Philippines and Australia to acquire molds from various factories. When the molds cannot be sourced, Corky has new molds built from original drawings and blueprints. Either way, the molds are refurbished to today’s standard and tested thoroughly.
He brokered deals with major tire producers that gave Coker Tire the worldwide licensing agreements and exclusive distributorships to big-name vintage brands. These brands included B.F. Goodrich, Firestone, Michelin and U.S. Royal thus increasing the variety of products available from Coker Tire. To expand his customer base in an industry with no recognized method of distribution, Corky initially went to his customers by way of car shows and swap meets. He and an employee would load a small van with tires and set up at car shows across the country. Larger trucks took the place of the van and show travel became the mainstay of Coker's commitment to its customers. Today, Coker Tire attends more than 40 shows a year utilizing a fleet of tractor-trailers."
https://www.cokertire.com/history
don't be fooled thinking you are getting genuine Michelin or Firestone when you are buying from him or his distributors |
I don't see anything there that says Coker has had vintage style Michelin tires manufactured, or any other name brand tire for that matter. Exclusive distribution in the U.S., yes, but that's not the same thing. The two paragraphs above describe two different aspects of Coker's business, manufacturing and distribution. |
"We just purchased 1,500 molds from Michelin"
I thought it was common knowledge that Coker made all these tires with other logos but guess not
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/wheels-tires/1001chp-coker-vintage-tire-insight/
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:34 am Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| t3kg wrote: |
| It's true, Pedro's BFGs look totally legit. They've got the right sidewall proportion and tread design. They look like they're straight outta 1964. |
I wish they would re-make these radials with the old BFG logo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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The Pirellis are made by Pirelli. The Michelins I bought were manufactured in a Michelin plant in Serbia, which is not exactly a third world country. The quality is comparable the XZXs I've bought 15-20 years ago.
I'd like to see some documentation that Coker is actually manufacturing Michelins and not just distributing them. Michelin has an international brand reputation to uphold. Allowing a third party to produce inferior reproduction tires under the Michelin name doesn't make sense. Likewise Pirelli.
http://www.michelinclassic.com/fr/Gamme-Collection
https://www.cinturato.net/ |
ok, I would absolutely agree with you, but I've done the research after having problems with firestones from him
from his website
"To overcome the challenge of producing brand new tire designs, Corky determined early on that he was his own best source of vintage treads, by purchasing discontinued molds from old factories. He literally searched the world, including South America, the Philippines and Australia to acquire molds from various factories. When the molds cannot be sourced, Corky has new molds built from original drawings and blueprints. Either way, the molds are refurbished to today’s standard and tested thoroughly.
He brokered deals with major tire producers that gave Coker Tire the worldwide licensing agreements and exclusive distributorships to big-name vintage brands. These brands included B.F. Goodrich, Firestone, Michelin and U.S. Royal thus increasing the variety of products available from Coker Tire. To expand his customer base in an industry with no recognized method of distribution, Corky initially went to his customers by way of car shows and swap meets. He and an employee would load a small van with tires and set up at car shows across the country. Larger trucks took the place of the van and show travel became the mainstay of Coker's commitment to its customers. Today, Coker Tire attends more than 40 shows a year utilizing a fleet of tractor-trailers."
https://www.cokertire.com/history
don't be fooled thinking you are getting genuine Michelin or Firestone when you are buying from him or his distributors |
I don't see anything there that says Coker has had vintage style Michelin tires manufactured, or any other name brand tire for that matter. Exclusive distribution in the U.S., yes, but that's not the same thing. The two paragraphs above describe two different aspects of Coker's business, manufacturing and distribution. |
"We just purchased 1,500 molds from Michelin"
I thought it was common knowledge that Coker made all these tires with other logos but guess not
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/wheels-tires/1001chp-coker-vintage-tire-insight/ |
Superchevy.com, America's most trusted source for news. 
For every source you can find suggesting that Coker is manufacturing classic Michelins I can find another that says Michelin makes them. One source I found quoted Coker representatives as saying that the Michelin Classic line is produced in small numbers by a Michelin subcontractor. Maybe in the world of multinational business partnerships Coker could be considered a Michelin subcontractor, but I doubt they would describe themselves in the third person that way.
The truth is probably somewhere in between. Since Coker is the exclusive distributor for Michelin Classic in North America they no doubt handle the biggest share of the market for these tires. As Everett said, manufacturing numbers are probably driven by demand from Coker's customers, so Coker has a big influence on what's produced and when. The Michelin-branded tires are made in different Michelin-affiliated plants around the world in original Michelin molds (obsolete molds perhaps sourced by Coker) to Michelin's specifications to meet Coker's customer demand. So who is the manufacturer? 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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Did you read it? It was an interview. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm saying he makes tires that has other companies logos on it. This is pretty well known. Just making sure my point is clear. When you buy tired from Coker, they are his, not the company that's on the sidewall. He may have an agreement with him, but he is the manufacturer
Your particular set of michelins I don't know
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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What we really need is someone to repop the original Continentals!
I remember a thinner whitewall version of this with a molded "ridge" in the sidewall to protect the white stripe, too. |
Those are the tires I have on the Notchback now and I don't want to wear them out.
I keep the VW's I have very nice but I drive them a lot, especially the notchback lately, and I want to get newer tires for general driving and I can put the original ones on when I go to shows.
The newer tires will go on their own wheels.
Tires on the Notchback now.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| the notchback was the first type 3 right? |
Yes the notchback is first - PN - 311
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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The Zertifikat for my Notchback came in today. Now to find original Olive cord interior. Jason it says wheel disc? but remember i have pin wheel drums.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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Wheel disc and rim are the colors for the wheels.
Solid black in this case.
This is correct for 64-65 "S" models since they had black wheels with trim rings and hubcaps that covered most of the wheel. |
Yep. You may have an odd ball where the pinwheels were used on it.
Edit - October 64 makes it late in 64 past Aug of 64 for the 65 year. They were ding lots of odd things regrouping for the 65 roll out and the new PN designation. Id need to see a parts book to see when the drums changed to say if you have a 64 with pinwheels from the factory.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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VW generally installed braking systems that lined up with the 'horsepower' output of the engine. The birth certificate indicates that a 1500 single carb engine was installed into an otherwise 'S' version of the car, so the smaller brakes were spec for the car. I'd think this was not a hard and fast rule and became more of an issue where the early brake parts started to become scarce on the production line. Then, everything got the big brakes.
This logic is playing out on my '64/'65 cars and disk brakes are becoming standard up front as engine horsepower increases well beyond stock. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| The birth certificate indicates that a 1500 single carb engine was installed. |
wow didnt see that. Guess i need to find a sidedrift. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| If you're serious. I've got the parts. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| The birth certificate indicates that a 1500 single carb engine was installed. |
wow didnt see that. Guess i need to find a sidedrift. |
I guess because it says 45HP engine?
I missed that too.
I would wonder if they made a mistake or not first if it's an "S" model otherwise.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:56 am Post subject: Re: The 1500 Club |
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| M - Code 'M3', maybe? |
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