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legotech7 Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2009 Posts: 879 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:32 pm Post subject: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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As I was adding some modifications to my 70 bug, I ran into quite a few issues, witch I have posted else where here, But one thing was driving me crazy while trying to get the car to run smooth, bu to no avail!. I have replace two carburetor's that I could not tune for shit!...I think I found my problem.. I replaced the exhaust muffler with a progressive header and muffler.. I like the way they sound...So I took off some of the tin to double check my connections, and on the left side I found this....you can see where its leaking...
And a gap that looks like .020 ....
Could this be why I couldn't adjust my 34 pict correctly? It is an empi header and I was warned not to get it cause they are cheaply made. I tried to tighten the nuts but they wouldn't and I was afraid I would snap one. How can I fix this?... Do I add another gasket or use some sort of sealant? I'm not sure... Took me awhile to find that leak and the only one I could find. I have a 009 dizzy I'm going to replace with a 034 ELECTRONIC VAC ADV DISTRIBUTOR, I was told that this dizzy is more compatible with the 34 pict carb, but I have to fix this leak first... Is it possible to bend these flanges so they meet better? And if so , how would I do that?... What can I do?........ |
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Volks Wagen Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2013 Posts: 2926 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Well the 2 flanges aren't parallel, so you either bend one (the cheapest or easiest) or grind/file to get them parallel, or get a fat compressible gasket, or maybe some of that exhaust repair putty would be easiest to seal it up.. _________________ 1973 1303 with AB-motor - sporadic
reconstruction as time permits, 1986 ex-Bundeswehr Doka - on the road again.
I'm definitely, probably, the worlds greatest lover.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26320 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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That minor exhaust leak will not make your carburetor adjust any differently. |
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carsdlt Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 317 Location: So. OC, Calif.
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Yup...a leak like that on the INTAKE side would cause problems, but not on exhaust. _________________ Thanx, DLT
'73 181 stock 1600 - "Dr. Bombay"
"If it works, don't fix it....let it break on its own." |
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carsdlt Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 317 Location: So. OC, Calif.
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Yup...a leak like that on the INTAKE side would cause problems, but not on exhaust. _________________ Thanx, DLT
'73 181 stock 1600 - "Dr. Bombay"
"If it works, don't fix it....let it break on its own." |
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legotech7 Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2009 Posts: 879 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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The leak is at where it connects to the heat riser, Isn't that part of the intake?.
I'm thinking of doubling up on the gasket and perhaps using some of that permatex ultra copper gasket maker to seal it. I tried to compress the two flanges together with a pair of vice grips and tighten down the nuts a bit more but they wouldn't budge. I didn't want to break them off, but it didn't help much. I will try the gaskets and sealer and see what happens..
Thanks for all the suggestions.. I love Samba..... |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31378 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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legotech7 wrote: |
The leak is at where it connects to the heat riser, Isn't that part of the intake?.
I'm thinking of doubling up on the gasket and perhaps using some of that permatex ultra copper gasket maker to seal it. I tried to compress the two flanges together with a pair of vice grips and tighten down the nuts a bit more but they wouldn't budge. I didn't want to break them off, but it didn't help much. I will try the gaskets and sealer and see what happens.... |
I agree that this should really not affect your running issues, but I am a firm believer in "fix FIRST what you KNOW is bad".
As for the nuts or bolts on that connection breaking, they are easily replaceable, and - for give me - they don't really have to be replaced with metric ones either. I've never used any sealer there, just the metal gaskets. If push came to shove, I might consider using a second metal gasket. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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No it's warm air exhaust for intake manifold heat. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31378 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
No it's warm air exhaust for intake manifold heat. |
Right, and sealing that and getting warm air through that may help things. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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MacLeod Willy Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2014 Posts: 933 Location: Ontario Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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X all the above.
I would grind the flange on the exhaust. It looks warped already anyway. If you have oxy.aceyt you could massage it into place easily.
Then look for a vacuum leak |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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In a perfect world you can blow air from one side to the other on this preheat connections, but usually they are clogged with carbon deposits. Plenty of threads here on how to unclog using a length of cable chucked into a drill motor. If you do this turn clockwise only because if you go backwards it will unwind and break off inside. Some have had success using a torch to but the deposits out. The whole concept of the preheat is too prevent carburetor icing, when the system works your car runs better. The mismatch on the flange is due to the low quality exhaust, you could using a die grinder take the high spot down slightly then using a pair of needle nose vice grips and an awl clamp it down with no gasket. Heat that using the torch carefully yes it's going to burn the paint. Finally shitcan the metal gaskets and use the fiber type that come with header, you can even carefully sand that fiber gasket if need be. Go back to the parts store and get some copper coat exhaust flange donut gasket sealant. This should do it . Welcome to the world of ill fitting shitty Chinese replacement VW parts. |
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legotech7 Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2009 Posts: 879 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Thank you gentlemen, for all the advise. I will try to use some heat and see if I can move that bottom flange into place, I'll use a second gasket, but I'll have to make the gasket from high heat gasket material, I think Napa sells it, if not, I'll have to order it... I hate having to wait for stuff in the mail, it takes forever to get here!.... Anyway, I'll have to remove the exhaust to do all that. Yes I realize the after market crap that being sold for OE is garbage,what are you gonna do, right?......
Again, thanks, and I'll post results when done..... Hopefully....... |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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legotech7 wrote: |
Yes I realize the after market crap that being sold for OE is garbage,what are you gonna do, right?....... |
Not put it on. I learned the hard way too.
Empi replacement tin:
Original VW tin:
Shitty aftermarket "OEM German" JP/Dansk muffler:
Original German VW muffler:
Is it really worth all the banging, bending, wheezing, pulling, tugging just so it sounds cool? _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Try this, when installing a muffler even stock leave everything loose that includes heater boxes or j tubes. Start everything by hand then bring it all tight in stages, this also helps with sheet metal when building an engine. VW could have used floating nut plates but that would have cost more so try my suggestion. |
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legotech7 Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2009 Posts: 879 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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What makes me angry is some of the so called reputable vendors will tell you they are original German parts,( over the phone ) until they come to your door step, some of your stuff clearly marked MADE IN CHINA... How many times have I been on the phone with these idiots, this is not what I ordered...Won't mention who they are, but they suck.....Anyway, couldn't find the gasket material, so I'll have to order them. Again another week wasted... |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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legotech7 wrote: |
What makes me angry is some of the so called reputable vendors will tell you they are original German parts,( over the phone ) until they come to your door step, some of your stuff clearly marked MADE IN CHINA... How many times have I been on the phone with these idiots, this is not what I ordered...Won't mention who they are, but they suck.....Anyway, couldn't find the gasket material, so I'll have to order them. Again another week wasted... |
Just wait until the resistance you meet trying to send them back... at the very least it's a 20% restocking fee... _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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CBFLbikerider Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2014 Posts: 44 Location: NCentFL
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Found my leak !......... Pics.... |
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Just wait until the resistance you meet trying to send them back... at the very least it's a 20% restocking fee...[/quote]
And YOU have to pay the shipping to them.. Sounds like a Cal located company |
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