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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

My owner's manual calls for a 9.5x1000 belt. Like I said, I never even looked because going back almost four years now I just wrote down "Gates 7395" after seeing that Russ Wolfe recommended it in a number of posts and then that got repeated by others, etc. In multiple places, I've found that the 7395 is a 10x1018 belt. I located a NOS 9.5x1000 belt and also ordered a 10x1005 so I'll see what works for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

My notes say NAPA 7390 for 6 volt.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

I have a Gates 7390 arriving today and a NOS 9.5x1000 arriving tomorrow. Hopefully, one of them will fit properly.

On another note, we haven't run the car in about a month because of dropping the motor and then deciding to give it a break on account of the road salt applications every few days.....we never had a chance to reapply the undercoating so we want to keep the car safer this year than last.

Anyway, when re-hooking up the fuel lines over the weekend, I noticed that the gas that dripped out of them was a deep orange/brown color which suggests that there's rust in the tank. Of course the car has been parked for a month with only about a gallon of gas in it so there's that......

I guess we're cleaning out the tank this weekend. But reading that current "Rust in Fuel Tank" thread, no one says how long to leave the muriatic acid in the tank before washing it out. Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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I guess we're cleaning out the tank this weekend.


Yikes! Have you seen the forecast for the weekend? Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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D/A/N wrote:
I guess we're cleaning out the tank this weekend.


Yikes! Have you seen the forecast for the weekend? Shocked

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Oh, shit! That's not good at all!

Thing is, we're going away for a few days starting Tuesday. It'd be just our luck to not clean the tank and get a clogged fuel filter or some clogged up injectors on the way up to the Adirondacks. Maybe for now we could get away with draining it and then sweeping or vacuuming out the crap. Then we can treat it more thoroughly in the spring. That sound viable to anyone?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

Filter all your gas/acid etc through a tshirt when you drain it, so you can reuse it numerous times if necessarily.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

D/A/N wrote:
sjbartnik wrote:
D/A/N wrote:
I guess we're cleaning out the tank this weekend.


Yikes! Have you seen the forecast for the weekend? Shocked

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Oh, shit! That's not good at all!

Thing is, we're going away for a few days starting Tuesday. It'd be just our luck to not clean the tank and get a clogged fuel filter or some clogged up injectors on the way up to the Adirondacks. Maybe for now we could get away with draining it and then sweeping or vacuuming out the crap. Then we can treat it more thoroughly in the spring. That sound viable to anyone?


Pull the sending unit, shine a light in there, and see what you've actually got.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

So here's one to file under "when the fuck are we gonna catch a break?" Sometime between 6pm last night and noon today some dumb-ass or dumb-asses decided to do this to us

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The dumb-ass or dumb-asses in question relieved us of our 2 ton jack, a 3/8" drive torque wrench, and a brand new 8mm ratcheting wrench in its packaging. However, they were kind enough to only break one of our two smallest windows even though the items they stole were all the way in the back. Had they been crueler, they would have broken the rear windshield! Despite the fact that the car was full of random Type 3 parts, the thief or thieves took none of them.

So before we place a WTB ad, does anyone have a 68+ passenger side vent window glass in good condition? Because we need one STAT! Can't keep parking the car with cardboard and a plastic bag as a vent window.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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So here's one to file under "when the fuck are we gonna catch a break?" Sometime between 6pm last night and noon today some dumb-ass or dumb-asses decided to do this to us

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The dumb-ass or dumb-asses in question relieved us of our 2 ton jack, a 3/8" drive torque wrench, and a brand new 8mm ratcheting wrench in its packaging. However, they were kind enough to only break one of our two smallest windows even though the items they stole were all the way in the back. Had they been crueler, they would have broken the rear windshield! Despite the fact that the car was full of random Type 3 parts, the thief or thieves took none of them.

So before we place a WTB ad, does anyone have a 68+ passenger side vent window glass in good condition? Because we need one STAT! Can't keep parking the car with cardboard and a plastic bag as a vent window.


I'll get one in the mail Tuesday. Monday is a Fed holiday.

You guys really need to look into a garage or proper storage. I know it's tough to find and it's expensive, but this is tough and expensive too.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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I'll get one in the mail Tuesday. Monday is a Fed holiday.

You guys really need to look into a garage or proper storage. I know it's tough to find and it's expensive, but this is tough and expensive too.


Yeah, this was a blow. 'Twas even harder to stomach than single-digit temperatures that the weather app said "felt like -3". Years ago, we tried to find off-street parking in our neighborhood, but it was simply not available. As our neighborhood is at the center of many gentrification projects, I have little hope of finding something close. However, this violation re-ignites my desire to keep this car safe. We can't keep losing money to stupidity.

So, it'd be awesome if we could get a new window this week! You, sir, are the best Smile
In the meantime, I rigged some plastic sheeting and duct tape in the window. It physically hurt my hands (must have been minus something with the wind-chill), but mostly hurt my feelings to rig such a bootleg fix Evil or Very Mad

I also hope the people responsible don't try to return to see what else they can pilfer. We removed all tools and everything else of value from the car just in case...so they can help themselves to broken glass, an ice scraper, a NY atlas, some fuses...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

So, aside from oiling liberally, who has a good trick for getting boots to slide in place on the intake runners? We have some NOS boots that are SOOOO ridiculously tight, our fingers and forearms are sore from fighting them!

Yes, it's cold out. However, we warmed them up by sitting in the car and massaging them, kept the IAD loose to make sure it lined up with the runners when put in place, etc. We've managed to force 3 into place, generally by putting them on the plenum and shoving the runners into place, then securing the runners and coercing them the rest of the way. However, one of the boots refuses to move! It's like it's been welded in place an inch away from fully seating Evil or Very Mad

Share your best tricks/hacks/ideas! Please!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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So, aside from oiling liberally, who has a good trick for getting boots to slide in place on the intake runners? We have some NOS boots that are SOOOO ridiculously tight, our fingers and forearms are sore from fighting them!

Yes, it's cold out. However, we warmed them up by sitting in the car and massaging them, kept the IAD loose to make sure it lined up with the runners when put in place, etc. We've managed to force 3 into place, generally by putting them on the plenum and shoving the runners into place, then securing the runners and coercing them the rest of the way. However, one of the boots refuses to move! It's like it's been welded in place an inch away from fully seating Evil or Very Mad

Share your best tricks/hacks/ideas! Please!


The best method I have found for type 3 and 4 runner boots....is to lube them with a thin film of slow drying RTV.
I dont use oil on rubber unless its a synthetic known to be made for rubber.

I force them down onto the runner far enough that about 1/4" of runner is sticking out. Clean out excess RTV from the inside of the runner and apply it smoothly around that 1/4" of runner sticking out. In this way it gets spread out along the inside of the boot without getting inside the pipe.

Make a fork that fits around the runner tube from thick plastic or metal. There is a pattern shown in numerous manuals for a "fork" used just too drive runner boots off an on.

Use a rubber mallet running sideways with the fork to drive the boot onto the spigots of the plenum. Drive them against the plenum until the opening of the bot just starts to spread and wants to slide backward from sprint force. Hold it there and clamp it tight just on the runner end. Let it dry for 8 hours. When its done...the RTV forms an internal seal and the clamp wont let it slide back. very good sealing.

In a pinch...I have used a piece of 3/4" wood dowel and the wooden mallet to drive boots boots on. Some light twisting with a pair of large channel locks with tape on the teeth also helps. Ray
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

WD 40 or silicone lube is my drug of choice. If it's really stubborn I'll take my channel locks, tape the teeth, and fit them loosely around the metal part of the runner against the edge the gots damm offending POS sleeve and tap the channel locks with a hammer to help drive it home. Don't go nuts or you'll damage the runner and/ or bung the edge of your NOS sleeve.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions. Absent a fork, we've used pliers, wrenches lengthwise with mallets, fingers, 1/4" ratchet extensions with mallets, etc. We used channel locks last month but that's how we wound up bending/ovalling two of the intake runners; it just took so much pressure to actually turn the boots. It's crazy b/c older boots that don't even leak just slide on and off with relative ease.

Does anyone have an image w/ specs of the kind of fork we're all talking about? It's just one more boot that we're worried about and our can of NAPA silicone spray has long since been misplaced. Yeah, I know, buy a new one, but this boot is so beyond stubborn that we know we're going to have to muscle/torture it into place.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

I had trouble a few times. How about using a muffler to heat exchanger clamp.with the clamp just tight enough so it does not crush the runner tube . i think the bolt might fit between the two runners then use that and a block of wood to force it on.

What worked for me was to push a bit on one edge then try to do the same just next to that spot and alternate , if it does not move go further away from the first area. . The idea is to walk the hose on . If you push just on one area or the entire area you are trying to force the entire hose on with all the friction. Or try one spot then 90 degrees away than another 90 degrees away opposite side and you may find the one area that's holding it from moving. The bottom area is difficult to even reach as you know. You need something that fits between the runners so you can get around it one spot at a time . Wood is my choice.




It might be best to pull it off if you can just to see if the runner tube in question has rough areas on it causing the boot to grip to tight.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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Does anyone have an image w/ specs of the kind of fork we're all talking about?


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3mm (1/8") thickness seems a little thin to me, given the leverage or impact you may hit this with, but maybe with steel it will be fine. Those 3 fingers will be 10mm wide each.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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Thanks for the suggestions. Absent a fork, we've used pliers, wrenches lengthwise with mallets, fingers, 1/4" ratchet extensions with mallets, etc. We used channel locks last month but that's how we wound up bending/ovalling two of the intake runners; it just took so much pressure to actually turn the boots. It's crazy b/c older boots that don't even leak just slide on and off with relative ease.

Does anyone have an image w/ specs of the kind of fork we're all talking about? It's just one more boot that we're worried about and our can of NAPA silicone spray has long since been misplaced. Yeah, I know, buy a new one, but this boot is so beyond stubborn that we know we're going to have to muscle/torture it into place.


I am saying to use the channel locks like a fork against the edge of the sleeve and tap. You're not squeezing the metal tube at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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I am saying to use the channel locks like a fork against the edge of the sleeve and tap. You're not squeezing the metal tube at all.


That is what I have done. As posted, wrapped in tape and NOT squeezed, just held together so the sharp 90 degree edge of the jaws are square against the end of the rubber tube, then whack the channel locks with a hammer (preferably heavy rubber).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: '69 FI Squareback: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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I am saying to use the channel locks like a fork against the edge of the sleeve and tap. You're not squeezing the metal tube at all.


That is what I have done. As posted, wrapped in tape and NOT squeezed, just held together so the sharp 90 degree edge of the jaws are square against the end of the rubber tube, then whack the channel locks with a hammer (preferably heavy rubber).


This is what we wound up doing this morning. Took all of ten seconds to get the last boot seated. I like that fork thing though. Is that tool suggested by VW or someone else? Was it ever manufactured, or was it always a DIY thing?
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I am saying to use the channel locks like a fork against the edge of the sleeve and tap. You're not squeezing the metal tube at all.


That is what I have done. As posted, wrapped in tape and NOT squeezed, just held together so the sharp 90 degree edge of the jaws are square against the end of the rubber tube, then whack the channel locks with a hammer (preferably heavy rubber).


This is what we wound up doing this morning. Took all of ten seconds to get the last boot seated. I like that fork thing though. Is that tool suggested by VW or someone else? Was it ever manufactured, or was it always a DIY thing?


AFAIK it was always "local manufacture", e.g. you took the plans to a machinist and had it made.
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