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vwinnovator
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 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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The fulcrums may slip back a little, but the axle is still sandwiched between them, just not squarely. The axle IS still engaged in the side gear and would still be able to spin with the engine engaged.
If you read the OP's you should be aware that his bearing caps were in place and the axle should not have had any movement.
having built the 1000's  of trans you claim, you should also be aware of the various brg caps and spacers and their relation to each length axle/tube. perhaps he's missing the inner spacer, which would allow the axle nut to seem tightened, would work its way loose, allow lateral movement loosening drum, resulting in it stripping. during that process, it's highly likely that the lateral movement caused the clip to break, allowing further movement and axle disengagement from the side gear.
OP stated that with the car in the air, his axle spun freely by hand without engagement to the trans. This could only happen with the axle FULLY out of the side gear, which would only occur with the clip and shim out of the way.
I'm still calling he has an internal issue to address. |
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chrisflstf
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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| If you do this, you drop the fulcrum plates and have to remove the axle assembly to reset. Also spools and most lsd"s do not use clips as the end gear is part of the diff. The axle floats inside the end gear and is held in position by the bearing cap at the outside, any decent vw tech knows this. Kinda like saying the brakes also hold the trans in place, try removing it without disconnecting the brakes. The clip and selective size thrust washer set the end play and retain the end gear |
Thats the way it works. You remove the bearing retainer and you can pull the axle out enough to dislodge the fulcrum plates, but not enough to remove the axle, The spade hits the clip |
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mcmscott
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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| vwinnovator wrote: |
The fulcrums may slip back a little, but the axle is still sandwiched between them, just not squarely. The axle IS still engaged in the side gear and would still be able to spin with the engine engaged.
If you read the OP's you should be aware that his bearing caps were in place and the axle should not have had any movement.
having built the 1000's of trans you claim, you should also be aware of the various brg caps and spacers and their relation to each length axle/tube. perhaps he's missing the inner spacer, which would allow the axle nut to seem tightened, would work its way loose, allow lateral movement loosening drum, resulting in it stripping. during that process, it's highly likely that the lateral movement caused the clip to break, allowing further movement and axle disengagement from the side gear.
OP stated that with the car in the air, his axle spun freely by hand without engagement to the trans. This could only happen with the axle FULLY out of the side gear, which would only occur with the clip and shim out of the way.
I'm still calling he has an internal issue to address. |
He also said, he stripped the splines,,,,,,, in the drum, and posted pics of new,,,,, drum being drilled for,,,,, new pattern, so the snapring is kinda irrevelant. The drum was spinning on the axle, the axle was not turning.
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vwinnovator
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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| Rob Jenks wrote: |
But, sadly, with it in the air and in gear...the axle spin freely. Something simply has let go in the transmission. With it spinning freely, perhaps it is an easy fix.... if there is such a premise on splitting the transmission.
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vwinnovator
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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| Rob Jenks wrote: |
which enabled the axle to start sliding in and out, the beaver tail on the axle slid out of receiver in the trans.
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now how do you suppose that happened...
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mcmscott
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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And if the axle nut loosened the axle still would not come out of the fulcrum plates enough(or at all) to effect the snap ring, remember the axle is fixed to the bearing cap I f the nut fell off, the axle can only move inward, away from the snap ring. That whole bearing being held in place by a cast iron retainer secured by 4 10x1.50 grade 10.5 bolts and all
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vwinnovator
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Transmission went clunk! |
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| And if the axle nut loosened the axle still would not come out of the fulcrum plates enough(or at all) to effect the snap ring, remember the axle is fixed to the bearing cap I f the nut fell off, the axle can only move inward, away from the snap ring. That whole bearing being held in place by a cast iron retainer secured by 4 10x1.50 grade 10.5 bolts and all |
except if he has mismatched brg cap and missing spacers at the spline end of axle.
then it WILL move outward.
you do know there are several different bearing cap sizes..right? |
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