Rear Drum Brakes , comparing type 3 vs type 1

[I Ride Dirt]

So its 2016, and I am getting ready to upgrade my rear brakes. I was looking at a set of rear disks and have come to the conclusion from by buddies rear disks that they are waaaaaaay heavy.. So I was looking into T3. I pull some of a cut up torsion 6 months ago, (I will have to load a couple pictures) and I have to measure them to make sure they are T3. However, when I was looking for T3 drums, Chirco doesn't sell them anymore.. Does anybody know where I could order 2?

[Dale M.]

Found these...

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-311-501-615-E

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-311-501-615-F

Dale
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[Jem5649]

Hey guys... I just picked up my first Baja and need to fix the brakes in a bad way. I don't have a clue what direction to go. I want to stick to drums, but would type 3 be the way to go?

Anyways, any guidance would be great. I don't quite know where to go with this.

Thanks!
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[Brian]

[Jem5649]

Cool, thanks! I think I might already on T3s In the back. I'll take measurements once the snow melts tomorrow morning and get back on it.
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[dustymojave]

I'm pretty sure from that photo I re-posted in your other thread that you have stock 65 Type 1 drums.

Type 3 drums are bigger and stronger and take offroad abuse better. Definitely a good choice for when you upgrade the suspension.

But you shouldn't have the long spline long axles installed that are necessary to fit the T3 drums. 68 Bug or Type 3 swingaxle shafts and outer housings or IRS are required to step up to the T3 drums. Your car almost certainly has short axle/short spline swingaxles typical of a 65 Bug.

Long spline long axles and housings can be installed in your 65 gearbox. It requires taking the trans out of the car for that.
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[I Ride Sand]

just as a heads up, i have the EMPI cheapo $250ish disks and 100% recommend the type 3 drum setup. the disks have only marginally better braking, and they are HEAVY, poor quality and replacement parts are a PITA to locate. hell, they aren't even a bolt on affair. it took me several days to get them installed after machining the bearing caps and locating spacers for a kit that was meant for my trailing arms.

so, if you go disks, spend some real money and buy something good, or go type 3 drums

[Mal evolent]

parking brakes. all VW parts. the choice of wide 5 or 4 lug. drums stay dry in wet weather. replacement parts.

nottalotta reasons to choose anything else.
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[dirtkeeper]

I am getting ready to do this swap to type 3 in the rear. As I a understand, all the bearings and spacers etc are the same as my type 1. Correct,yes?

The backing plate is larger, this must move the location of the brake cylinder slightly. Will my hard line to the brake cylinder still reach?

Thanks

[Dale M.]

[Brian]

Any difference in backing plates over the years?
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[Lowlightmafia]

[url]Hi, I’m building a 69 Ghia (track use mostly) and looking into type 3 drums or disc brakes for my rear brakes. Looking to run a 15*6 Fuchs with a 205 or 195 Tire (depending on how much clearance my rear fenders allow, since ghias are all slightly different). I know that this can be done with stock drum brakes and want to know if the rim to drum mounting point for the type 3 drums will be pushed out and push my wheels out? Also is it dangerous for my use to redrill type 3 drums for 5-130 porsche pattern? pretty much the same question but is there a rear disc brake kit out there that doesn’t effect the offset of the rim mounting point.

Check out my build, all knowledge helps, thank you https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8608415#8608415

[dustymojave]

Type 3 drums Do move the mounting flange outboard a bit compared to type 1 brakes. I would NOT try to drill a 5x130 pattern in a wide 5 or 4x 112 drum or hub flange plate. You MIGHT be able to use Porsche 914-6 front rotors on rear hub flanges to get the result you are looking for. Or possibly VW bus 5-lug.
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