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CrawDigger Samba Member
Joined: May 15, 2016 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 6:31 pm Post subject: 67 running issues |
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My bug idles fine while not driving but dies when driving. I did install a new gas filter. I also dismantled the top half of the fuel pump and it seams in good order, although the fuel filter seams to have very little fuel in it. I can't seem to figure this issue out. Any ideas as to what may be the issue and where I should look next?
Any help would be appreciated.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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Not enough information.
What engine?
What Dist.?
What carb.?
Single or dual port?
The filter never fills all the way full with gas. Don't let it worry ya.
Post some pics of the carb and dist..
Did you check that the fuel cutoff solenoid is functioning? With the key in the on position remove the black wire to the solenoid on the left side of the carb. If it is working, you will hear an audible click.
Check it out and let us know whats up.
Goo Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2014 Posts: 191 Location: Tacoma
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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I'm CrawDiggers Son.
He is new to web forums so I'll try to help.
As far as we know it, his engine is stock.
He has a vacuum advanced dizzy, I believe a 30 Pict 1 carb and using points and condenser.
He should have a 1600cc engine. He should be able to get more information tomorrow, as well as send me pictures to post here. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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This was not meant to be an attack. We just need more info like what you have provided.
Has he tried to clean the carb.? Some times the jets get clogged with little bits of debris and will make the engine behave like he has described. Make sure that all of the jets get blown out with compressed air.
Tell your Dad that I said welcome to the samba.
We'll wait for the pics, they help a bunch.
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2014 Posts: 191 Location: Tacoma
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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I know it wasn't. |
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joeyk803c Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2014 Posts: 102 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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When does it die? As the car slows down to a stop, or after trying to take off? In order to help, we need to know when/how. |
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CrawDigger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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Believe me I'm taking nothing as an attack.
When I get home tomorrow I will get pictures of the suggested parts and try the suggestions. I will also recall when the issue happens.
I am by far the worst at diagnosing problems... I can tear it apart and put it back to get very well.
I thank you all for the help. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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CrawDigger wrote: |
Believe me I'm taking nothing as an attack.
When I get home tomorrow I will get pictures of the suggested parts and try the suggestions. I will also recall when the issue happens.
I am by far the worst at diagnosing problems... I can tear it apart and put it back to get very well.
I thank you all for the help. |
Eh Crawdigger, we all had to start somewhere. I spent at least 5 months reading the samba before I posted the first question. I was away from my car and so there was no urgency to ask questions. Once I was next to the car the questions flooded forward and I was glad that I had this fantastic resource for support and guidance when it was warranted.
Your issue is not the first of it's kind here, we are more than willing to lend a hand. You'll be on the road in no time.
If you don't have the following books yet, I suggest that you buy them and read them. John Muir's "How to Keep your VW alive" This is by far the best book for the beginner VW owner with limited skills. This one book goes as far as to instruct the reader what direction to turn a bolt to loosen or tighten it. That's no BS. The next book is quite a bit more technical. A Bentley "Service Manual" for 1966 to 1969 years. It's the blue book. I got mine from Amazon for somewhere near $28 usd.
There are Haynes manuals that are good for reference as well. Chiltons manuals are about the same quality as the Haynes one.
Get the John Muir book first. It's great for the first time VW mechanic.
Good Luck sir. I hope to see you and your son at the Seattle VW (Pacific Raceway) show this summer.
Have a great day. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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CrawDigger wrote: |
My bug idles fine while not driving but dies when driving. I did install a new gas filter. I also dismantled the top half of the fuel pump and it seams in good order, although the fuel filter seams to have very little fuel in it. I can't seem to figure this issue out. Any ideas as to what may be the issue and where I should look next?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you |
To add to what Rust has asked/suggested.
Clarity is needed with it dies when driving. Does this mean under acceleration, it suddenly dies? Or, when slowing down and coming to a stop, it won't hold an idle?
What kind of fuel pump did you take the top off of? Is it an original square top Pierburg fuel pump? _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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CrawDigger Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 10:52 am Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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Joeys.
Yes, my car has died a couple of times as I was slowing down and coming to a stop.
I have sent pictures to 2t2-crash he will post them soon. |
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2014 Posts: 191 Location: Tacoma
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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Pics of the Carb and such:
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2014 Posts: 191 Location: Tacoma
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:08 am Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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I advised he pull the carb and give it a good cleaning, any other advise/ideas from you guys? |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 8:15 am Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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2T2-Crash wrote: |
I advised he pull the carb and give it a good cleaning, any other advise/ideas from you guys? |
Any updates on this issue? What is the condition of the points and condenser and the like? I have a 1500 that was giving me fits. It would start and run under the choke. When I opened the throttle it would die. It turned out to be the point to condenser wire saw not completely attached to the condenser. This was the same dist. as crawdigger has on his car. It takes two minutes to verify.
Good Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
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CrawDigger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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67rusty.
Yeah...
I did check the coil for a loose connection. Yes one was loose so I crimped it tighter, cleaned the post and reconnected it.
I took the carb off, took it apart and cleaned it, nothing out of the norm with it so reassembled it and installed. Fired right up.
Took it for a drive and it didn't die on me.
Now I have a hesitation issue with when I step into the gas peddle while driving.
Points are clean (had some carbon build up but not anymore). Plugs are good.
See the thing is when it's ideling in the driveway and I manually work the thraughtle (at the engine) it picks up RPM's right away, when I do it from the gas peddle it hesitates. Kinda confused.
Whatcha think could be that issue? |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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It's those little victories that keep us going. Glad you no longer have the dying issue while driving.
Now it's time to get the timing light out and check where your at.
With the engine warmed up. Disconnect the vac line from the dist and plug it with a golf "T." Get your trusty 10mm socket on a long extension and connect the timing light to the #1 spark plug wire. Red timing light clamp can go to the + side of the generator and ground can be attached to a body part that is not painted. I just attach the ground to a engine tin screw head and call it good. Start the engine and see where your timing is at idle. With a stock crank pulley at 7.5* BTDC you will see the two small notches on the back side if the pulley. The one on the right is 7.5* and the one on the left is 10*. If the timing is anything other than 7.5* loosen the clamp at the bottom of the dist and give it a little twist while watching the pulley notches move. You want the 7.5* notch right on the split in the case.
Do that and report back on what you have.
Good Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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Hesitation when pressing the throttle is often timing or a faulty accel pump. Sounds like you are checking the ignition and advance, so I'll talk a bit about the accel pump. There are a couple of subtleties when putting it back together.
First, loosen the four screws holding the accel pump cover on; don't remove them or loosen them so much the diaphragm can wrinkle, but enough to let it move freely a bit. Then press the throttle fully open and hold it there. Now retighten the four screws. What you are doing is relieving any tension on the diaphragm, so you get a full vacuum/pump action out of it, and you won't crack it from over stretching.
Second, remove the air cleaner (engine off), and floor it. Watch where the accel pump squirt goes. It should be aimed right in the opening gap of the throttle plate to the carb throat. It should neither hit the carb throat wall, nor the plate, but instead go right between them. This gives the best atomization and response from the added gas. Tap the tube in well so it won't come loose. |
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2T2-Crash Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:50 am Post subject: Re: 67 running issues |
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Through the power of face time and the iPhone I walked him through timing the engine, it was definitely off but is correct now, set at 7.5 BTDC. It runs a bit rough but he is adjusting the carb to try and fix it. |
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