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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:18 pm Post subject: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Not quite sure what's going on here.
I got some new trailing arms and decided to rebuild the entire assembly.
I got everything together and put a rotor on and started tightening the castle nut just a little and everything bound up....
This is what is happening.
I have all the spacers in and the bearings all seated nicely....so I'm at a loss..
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Dan
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Exactly where is it binding..... By pic is flange hitting brace?...
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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Dale M. wrote: |
Exactly where is it binding..... By pic is flange hitting brace?...
Dale |
Sorry about that. The cv flange is actually binding on the circular bearing housing...
Bearings went in okay...big C clip is in there.....
Stumped... _________________ 1965 Notchback 2300cc Type4
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2manybugs Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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You said all of the spacers are in, does that include the long one between the bearings? If it is in, could it be shorter than stock for some reason? If your center spacer is in and it is the stock length you simply have a problem of your aftermarket axle not fitting into your housing. Try putting a stock axle in and see if it fits. The profile of the back of the axle is important. |
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Thickness of caliper mount may be issue... By not letting everything tighten up to where all the "space" is removed between spacers as everything compresses.... Also maybe wrong outer bearing retainer... There are at least three different ones with seating depth of bearing being different in each one....
Could also be wrong spacer between inside bearing and flange...
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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Dale M. wrote: |
Thickness of caliper mount may be issue... By not letting everything tighten up to where all the "space" is removed between spacers as everything compresses.... Also maybe wrong outer bearing retainer... There are at least three different ones with seating depth of bearing being different in each one....
Could also be wrong spacer between inside bearing and flange...
Dale |
I woke up at 4am wondering about that caliper mount...
It all worked with the stock arms so I didn't think it might be an issue with the new ones...but hey...anything is possible..
I thought I pulled the stub axle out and checked to see if there was any play between the big inner spacer and the bearings...I don't remember there being any - but I'll check again tonight.. _________________ 1965 Notchback 2300cc Type4
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Dark Earth Samba Member
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B Ramsey Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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looks to me like the lip on the trailing arm needs to be shaved down, flush with the seal. or add another spacer to the axle shaft to space the cv flange out. but then you might not be able to tighten the nut down for cotter pin.
you can see where the housing scratched the CV flange. _________________ Go outside and do something. |
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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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That's why I posted the closeup pics in my first post to show that they were installed correctly.
I did use the guide at pac customs fwiw. _________________ 1965 Notchback 2300cc Type4
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Dark Earth Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Sorry, just trying to exhaust all possibilities. There's no way the inner and outer bearing got switched. The only thing left is the trailing arm width. _________________ My Build: '69 Baja - Dark Earth Version
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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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Dark Earth wrote: |
Sorry, just trying to exhaust all possibilities. There's no way the inner and outer bearing got switched. The only thing left is the trailing arm width. |
NP.
I'm going to take apart the stock axle tonight and look at the shims in there.
I would guess (assume...) that they would take a "stock" bearing carrier and weld the new boxed arms to it.
That assumption being that anything taken off another "stock" bearing carrier...things would fit...
But...we all know how assumptions go...
I have a few sets of bearing caps hanging around as well...maybe I'll try and experiment with those..
Not sure how that would help though....as the center race on the outside bearing isn't fixed...it can slide in and out so the bearing itself wouldn't be moving...
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Dark Earth Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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danielzink wrote: |
Dale M. wrote: |
Thickness of caliper mount may be issue... By not letting everything tighten up to where all the "space" is removed between spacers as everything compresses.... Also maybe wrong outer bearing retainer... There are at least three different ones with seating depth of bearing being different in each one....
Could also be wrong spacer between inside bearing and flange...
Dale |
I woke up at 4am wondering about that caliper mount...
It all worked with the stock arms so I didn't think it might be an issue with the new ones...but hey...anything is possible..
I thought I pulled the stub axle out and checked to see if there was any play between the big inner spacer and the bearings...I don't remember there being any - but I'll check again tonight.. |
It looks like the caliper mount would go around a stock arm, but is butted up against the new arm. Is there a gap anywhere between the caliper mount and the trailing arm ? _________________ My Build: '69 Baja - Dark Earth Version
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dustymojave Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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It looks to me that the back of the caliper bracket hits the back of the arm, keeping the bracket from seating against the outer side of the bearing housing.
You MAY have to make caliper brackets out of steel plate and weld them to the back of the arm. _________________ Richard
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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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So... I took the whole assembly back to the shop where I purchased them.
We assembled everything on the counter so he could see and he agreed that there was an issue.
He called the manufacturer of the arms and the suggestion was to use a swingaxle rear spacer and would check his other arms and see if this is an issue with them as well.
Apparently there are 3 different thicknesses of rear shims:
here's the difference between the one I *was* using and the thicker "swingaxle" shim:
That has cured my binding issue..now my aftermarket disc brakes don't fit...but I'll start a new thread for that....
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Dale M. Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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danielzink wrote: |
So... I took the whole assembly back to the shop where I purchased them.
We assembled everything on the counter so he could see and he agreed that there was an issue.
He called the manufacturer of the arms and the suggestion was to use a swingaxle rear spacer and would check his other arms and see if this is an issue with them as well.
Apparently there are 3 different thicknesses of rear shims:
here's the difference between the one I *was* using and the thicker "swingaxle" shim:
That has cured my binding issue..now my aftermarket disc brakes don't fit...but I'll start a new thread for that....
Dan |
Then the "fix" was a "patch" to get manufacture off the hook and put the problem back on you.....
You should probably ditch those arms and start over....
Dale _________________ “Fear The Government That Wants To Take Your Guns" - Thomas Jefferson.
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danielzink Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Stub axle binding on bearing housing - more shims ? |
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[quote="Dale M."]
danielzink wrote: |
So... I took the whole assembly back to the shop where I purchased them.
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Then the "fix" was a "patch" to get manufacture off the hook and put the problem back on you.....
You should probably ditch those arms and start over....
Dale |
Have drilled the arms for my swing plates.....so I'm sure they'll say they're modified...
At this point I'm sure I'm not getting any money back....
Guess I hope I win the lotto so I can throw these arms away and buy new ones...
That kind of disposable income doesn't grow on trees... _________________ 1965 Notchback 2300cc Type4
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