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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

A couple months back I attempted to take my 36hp 1959 bug off road with street tires equipped. I wanted to go places that the car just wasn't meant to go and maybe the 5" of ground clearance and loose gravel didn't help that either. Since that day I've been searching for a baja bug to take off road. Fast forward a few months and a lady stops my mother who was driving her beetle and tells her about a couple old VW's laying in her front yard. Me and my farther made arrangements later that day to look at these VW's. Driving up we didn't know what to expect, but when we arrived there were a couple baja bodys and one almost complete baja sitting there. We looked them over thanked the woman and left, but that one baja caught my eye. I went back a week later to inspect the baja and made a deal. So I'm now a proud owner of a somewhat red 1967 baja bug. Enough talking how about some photos?


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The worst part about this bug is that the roof is caved in. Anyone got ideas to fix it? I was thinking 2x4 and a floor jack.
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Now the baja didn't have an engine, but there was a late model pan with a 1500cc attached sitting a couple feet away so a deal was made for that as well.

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What are my goals? To build an inexpensive yet fun baja bug! Very Happy

Comments and suggestions welcomed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

If the later model pan has the same front suspension as the '67, I'd build the later model pan, fixing any problems with rust, then throw the '67 body on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

Smack the roof from the inside with the palm of your hand and it may just pop out, that how I got mine out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

After waiting nearly two weeks on the seller to clean out the area around the bug and find the titles for it and the IRS pan it was time to pick it up and bring the baja home.

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The interior was trashed being open to the elements for who know how long so I decided to strip the entire bug.

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Now the dented roof looked pretty bad, but I was able fix that with a floor jack and a 2x4. Looks pretty good now.
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This is the only section of fiberglass that is cracked should be an easy fix?

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Previous owner added in a transmission strap and what appears to be bilstein shocks wounder if there any good still?
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Dark Earth wrote:
If the later model pan has the same front suspension as the '67, I'd build the later model pan, fixing any problems with rust, then throw the '67 body on it.

I'm sticking with the 67 swing axle pan for now. The problem with the IRS is I have no front beam for it. So I'd have to swap the beam from the 67 with the wide 5 bolt pattern. That might look a little funky. The 67 pan also has widen wide 5's for the rear.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

You could run wheel adapters on the rear ...

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Sorry, I just like the IRS rear end better.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

Then there's always VW Thing drums for the rear ...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

I'm liking the idea of running wide 5 wheel adapters on the IRS. Here's a better look at the IRS chassis. It would need new cv joints and a battery tray replacement. Question if I use this chassis would I title the rest of the baja as a 71? I have titles for both.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

Ruger59 wrote:
I'm liking the idea of running wide 5 wheel adapters on the IRS. Here's a better look at the IRS chassis. It would need new cv joints and a battery tray replacement. Question if I use this chassis would I title the rest of the baja as a 71? I have titles for both.


Yep, it would be a '71 because the pan dictates the registration. The vin number is on the pan right by the access door to the shifter coupler. I did a battery tray with the body still on. I think it will be much easier for you with the body off.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

It isn't a super beetle pan, It has a ball joint front end frame head right ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

yes, it does have a ball joint frame head.

EDIT: Just read the numbers off the IRS transmission says it's a AT 30 04 3
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

Ruger59 wrote:
yes, it does have a ball joint frame head.

EDIT: Just read the numbers off the IRS transmission says it's a AT 30 04 3


Here's a transmission thread ...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=492880&highlight=virgins

According to the thread it's a single side cover 3.875 ring and pinion out of a '72 super beetle or convertible. That might be too tall of a gear with taller baja bug tires. I think AH is the one you want. It might be better to stick with the swing axle. Somebody with an AT transmission might have more insight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

I've been reading that thread on transmission and searching The Samba finding info about AT transmission and I'm coming to the same conclusion. The final drive ratio of the AT is 3.60 and AH is 3.67 according to this site.
http://sandlizrd.baja.org/gears.htm
Would .07 help run larger sized tires? Cause I'd like to run a 235/75/r15 tire.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Project: 67 Baja Bug Reply with quote

I don't know from experience, but the first gear overall ratio of the AT : 14.68 (3.79 x 3.875) vs. the AH : 16.00 (3.88 x 4.125) might make the lower end suffer. I'm not sure if the top end would differ that much. Maybe someone with this setup will chime in.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

Over this past weekend myself and a few friends were able to separated the body from the pan. Once that was accomplished I spent the next 45 min degreasing and power washing the pan.

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The body and the rest of the parts we took off.

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A goodie I found while digging in the transmission tunnel. Just cleaned up a little bit.

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This is the worst spot of rust on this car and should be a easy fix.

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I've noticed quite a bit of orange silicon around the axle tubes and I want make sure none of that has gotten inside the transmission which is why I'll be replacing all the gasket's with ones from WW.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

Looks like everything is in pretty good shape. One thing I thought I'd mention:
There are different pressure plate/throwout bearing combinations depending on the year you have.

This thread I was reading recently made me think of it ...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=658634

It's possible that you have a late model pressure plate on the engine and an early model throwout bearing on the transmission.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

Dark Earth wrote:
Looks like everything is in pretty good shape. One thing I thought I'd mention:
There are different pressure plate/throwout bearing combinations depending on the year you have.

This thread I was reading recently made me think of it ...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=658634

It's possible that you have a late model pressure plate on the engine and an early model throwout bearing on the transmission.

Thanks, You know I never thought about that. When I go to pull the engine I'll look at the throwout bearing.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

The worst indignity imposed on that poor red Baja are the stupid headlight gizmos.

And wheel adapters suck - all wheel adapters everywhere, that ever existed, suck...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

Today I began sand blasting the entire pan and once that's finished I'll move onto addressing the battery tray and filling in all the small holes.

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The rear brakes have been cleaned, painted and rebuilt.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

So I'm putting together the axles and I noticed I have two different style axle bearing covers and I'm wondering which one's correct? I believe it's the 311 on the left. It's a 67 long axle transmission btw.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: A 1967 Baja Bug Build Reply with quote

A lot has happened with the baja project since my last post. The pan is finished and is ready for assembly.

Testing fitting the pan replacement metal I bought from Wolfsburge.
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Seat rail welded into place.
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I'm using Master Series silver as the base.
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Two coats of Master series chassis gloss back.
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Ready for assembly!
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