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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:25 am    Post subject: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

'74 auto stick... but brakes are brakes.

No fluid leaks, brakes are strong and hard 9 times out of 10. That one time the pedal will go soft on me but a good pumping of the brakes makes it right (you know, the poor man's ABS).

Have new front disc brake calipers on the way.

Is my master dying? Ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Have they been bled and adjusted-rears- recently?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Updated the rear calipers, shoes + springs Xmas 2015.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

so you have disc all the way around?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

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Updated the rear calipers, shoes + springs Xmas 2015.

Soft lines too?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

discs in front/drums in rear.

Soft lines were not done.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

you could be getting partial or intermittent blockage especially if they are older. They are not too expensive and a good idea to replace all 4 and re-bleed.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

hmmm, they certainly haven't been changed in 16+ yrs.

I'll replace the rubber hoses the weekend... it can't hurt and might solve my problem

I'll report back

As a BTW-my front wheels do not spin freely (I attributed that to needing new front brake calipers).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

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hmmm, they certainly haven't been changed in 16+ yrs.

I'll replace the rubber hoses the weekend... it can't hurt and might solve my problem

I'll report back

As a BTW-my front wheels do not spin freely (I attributed that to needing new front brake calipers).


May be time to at the very least repack your front wheel bearings. Add grease wherever you can.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

bhartwell59 wrote:
Updated the rear calipers,


This statement threw me off Wink
The fronts will have a slight drag on them being disc brakes.
But replace all the rubber lines, bleed system and make sure to adjust the rear shoes
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

60ragtop wrote:
bhartwell59 wrote:
Updated the rear calipers,


This statement threw me off Wink
The fronts will have a slight drag on them being disc brakes.
But replace all the rubber lines, bleed system and make sure to adjust the rear shoes


Adjust the rear shoes out to proper setting before you bleed hydraulic system.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Thanks all... per CiderGuy, will check the front wheel bearings and when those new calipers get here will replace the rubber hoses, adjust rears and bleed.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

bhartwell59 wrote:
'74 auto stick... but brakes are brakes.

No fluid leaks, brakes are strong and hard 9 times out of 10. That one time the pedal will go soft on me but a good pumping of the brakes makes it right (you know, the poor man's ABS).


If it was air in the system you would have to pump it up each time.

Have seen twice where road dust built up in the MC and the resultant mud inside would off and on not let the piston seals in the MC to seal properly.

Would pull the MC, take apart and inspect.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Ok, an update:
-new front discs
-new front brake calipers
-new front rubber brake hoses
-new front wheel bearings
-and a new master cylinder

Have bled the brakes but after going for a spin the pedal is ok... but could be better. Will do a 4-wheel bleed with a buddy this weekend.

What do you all make of the dash brake warning light that goes on, then off?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

The switch on the Parking brake lever is dirty or needs adjusting.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Bled the brakes this weekend... but now the car pulls to the right during braking.

As stated above, everything is new brake wise... so what could be causing this?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Did you adjust the rear shoes?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

No... I'll do that this weekend.

However, the right front wheel feels hotter than the left... so my focus has been up front.

More bleeding needed? Or would swapping calipers net me anything?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Should be slight increase in height of brake pedal between 1st and 2nd pumps. 3rd, 4th, 5th on to infinity should be no increase of pedal height if no air in system.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Is my brake master cylinder going? Reply with quote

Did you replace the rubber hoses up front. Old hoses swell shut inside a won't let the fluid return to the master cyl. causing drag and pulling. Hot wheel indicates drag.
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