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dickie
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 Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: type 3 transmissions |
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| Is the type 3 transmission the same as the Beetle? and therefore are they interchangeable? Also can the later type 3 engine (post IRS) be fitted into an earlier version swing axle? and with what mods? if any? given that the later ones had the rear hanger,but with the upper support rod off the top rear of the engine as did the early engines. |
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Russ Wolfe
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:26 am Post subject: |
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All IRS trannies are the same externally. Except for the front shift housing, and the clutch release fork. All IRS trannies are 12V (in the USA)
Putting an IRS engine in a swing axle tranny is fine if you have the right flywheel. Most swing axles, were 6V except for '67, and '68. A 6V flywheel is smaller in diameter that a 12V, and has fewer teeth. 109 verses 130.
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dickie
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks.....the later engine will bolt up to the 6 volt tranny even though they were designed to be suspended from the hanger? does the hanger have to be used at all if putting into the early type 3's? |
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dickie
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| thanks.....the later engine will bolt up to the 6 volt tranny even though they were designed to be suspended from the hanger? does the hanger have to be used at all if putting into the early type 3's? |
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Russ Wolfe
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks.....the later engine will bolt up to the 6 volt tranny even though they were designed to be suspended from the hanger? does the hanger have to be used at all if putting into the early type 3's? |
No, the late model engines won't bolt up to the 6V trannies. The 12V flywheel is too big. If you swap flywheels, then the crankshaft endplay has to be reset. A late model engine has a different crank from a 6V crank unless you have a '66 flywheel with the o'ring.
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dickie
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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ok, got that. My other question would be if the later engine will just hang off the tranny and that upper engine point, like the standard early engines, and then would the later engine mounting bar be needed at all?
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Russ Wolfe
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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No, if you put a later engine in an early car, you can just hang it off the bell housing, and install the rear snubber. The cross member can go away completely.
Just don't cut it off. There are only 3 bolts that hold it to the case.
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dickie
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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that sounds good. I will take a look at that for sure. That was my main concern about putting a later type 3 engine into a 65 notch that I have found. The flywheel swap and endplay adjustment should be fine. Thanks a lot Russ
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