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gintaras Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2012 Posts: 523 Location: Louisville
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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I don't know what else to do.. I have been chasing an air leak ever since I bought this bus almost 2 years ago.. I have driven 25k miles in 20 months, so it is manageable, but it sure would be nice to have her idle down at a stoplight..
I swapped out the air intake boot about a year ago, and that made a huge difference, but I have always had to have the idle screw turned all the way in, always idles around 1050 when fully warmed up, and sometimes, after a interstate speed jaunt, it just won't idle down, and I have to keep feathering the clutch to slow her down at a light, or turn off the engine altogether, this usually results in a rough few seconds after restarting, because of the rich condition.
So, I changed the intake plenum boots and gaskets last night, seems to idle lower, but still around 1000, spec is 800-950, but my screw is all the way down, there won't be any 900 rpm idling here.. I even tried to rub a little oil on the idle screw O-ring, no change..
So what is my next step? The throttle body gasket? That's about the only thing that I HAVEN'T changed.. I do notice a slight hissing coming from the brake booster line, but it is minimal, I was going to try sealing that joint with some Permatex High Tack gasket sealant, the same stuff I just used on the intake gaskets and also as lube to slide on the intake tubes. _________________ 1979 Deluxe Westy in Mexico Beige |
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BayCreamPuff Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2015 Posts: 769 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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Definitely check the throttle body gasket. It's got to be a pretty big leak for the idle screw to need to be turned all the way in. Have you tried a smoke tester yet? It'd be cheaper than all this guessing.
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williamM Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2008 Posts: 4333 Location: southwest Arizona
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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smoker, or metered down air pressure to 5/6 # and blown onto a vacuum port then attack wiith windex look for bubbles. _________________ some days I get up and just sit and think. Some days I just sit.
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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If you were to put some duct tape over the "power brake booster T" at the air plenum, does the high idle speed go away?
Are you sure your centrifical advance function of the distributor is retarding as it should? |
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mikedjames Samba Member
Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 2743 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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If it is hissing suspect it.
There should not be air flow through a brake booster hose apart when the brakes are applied, and that for a short while until the vacuum builds up in the servo.
Expect any fabric covered hoses to be hiding cracked rubber.
Poke around with a length of hose to your ear when the engine is running and listen for a harsh hissing noise from any vacuum leaks. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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possibilities and common would be
brake booster leaking
EGR diaphragm perforated
injector seals
Any damage or rot in the Tee that the brake booster comes off of
bad line coming off Aux air valve
throttle body to plenum seal
leaky FPR diaphragm or decal diaphragm
You can test at each spot except the booster with a little Berryman's B12 spray. Don't soak it, just a little spray will cause the idle to change. If you haven't changed the injector seals that is something you have to do at least every 10 years / 50,000 miles or so. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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gintaras Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2012 Posts: 523 Location: Louisville
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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mikedjames wrote: |
If it is hissing suspect it.
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I took it for along freeway jaunt this afternoon and then around town...
It's not 100% yet, but it is drastically better now that I did the intake gaskets and boots.
There is definitely a slight hissing from the brake booster hard line, that hard joint where they connect to left of the T.. You can hear it hissing for about 30 seconds after the engine is shut off.. I was under the impression that this was normal due to the booster pressure being bled off? _________________ 1979 Deluxe Westy in Mexico Beige |
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gintaras Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2012 Posts: 523 Location: Louisville
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Chasing an elusive air leak, idle screw all the way in.. |
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SGKent wrote: |
possibilities and common would be
brake booster leaking
I need to check this
EGR diaphragm perforated
I need to check this
injector seals
These are new, they came with the fuel line kit from Scott
Any damage or rot in the Tee that the brake booster comes off of
This is new and hold air with he old mouth check
bad line coming off Aux air valve
This is a new hose from Geebee
throttle body to plenum seal
I need to check this and just order one
leaky FPR diaphragm or decal diaphragm
This has been tested per posted troubleshooting steps
You can test at each spot except the booster with a little Berryman's B12 spray. Don't soak it, just a little spray will cause the idle to change. If you haven't changed the injector seals that is something you have to do at least every 10 years / 50,000 miles or so. |
Looks like I have a few things to check..
Thank you. _________________ 1979 Deluxe Westy in Mexico Beige |
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