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AXAM Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2003 Posts: 314 Location: Gods country,ca
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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I been reading everyones comments on fitting a berg 5 in an oval. but they all seem to show the later design. Do YOU still have the same clearance issues with the earlier design that has the flat plate rather than the whole intermediate housing????????
Trevor P wrote: |
Berg 5 is the only way to go if you wanna have your cake and eat it too.
If you are putting it in an oval it will require body and pan mods, but nothing beyond someone with good fabricating skills, and patience. |
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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AXAM wrote: |
Do YOU still have the same clearance issues with the earlier design that has the flat plate rather than the whole intermediate housing????????
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Not sure what you are getting at. The pics I've posted were on a late 56 pan. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
56 Wolfsburg PG/SG
57 Oval, 2332 & Berg 5
70 911T
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AXAM Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2003 Posts: 314 Location: Gods country,ca
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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I saw the pics, thanks
but you have the later 5 speed design. the early one are slighty different
Trevor P wrote: |
AXAM wrote: |
Do YOU still have the same clearance issues with the earlier design that has the flat plate rather than the whole intermediate housing????????
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Not sure what you are getting at. The pics I've posted were on a late 56 pan. |
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F-22A Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2008 Posts: 556 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Tks for the reply and pics Trevor, really helpful.
Anyone else out there who can tell how they did it? In particular whether a different shift rod was used? |
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56bugdan Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2008 Posts: 250 Location: NEW JERSEY
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'm using a 1970 Pan on my 56 so would I still have to use that mounting kit that bolts to the shock towers and would I still have to the body around the luggage compartment? |
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thebucket Samba Stockbroker
Joined: April 06, 2004 Posts: 3734 Location: Houston Texas
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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56bugdan wrote: |
I'm using a 1970 Pan on my 56 so would I still have to use that mounting kit that bolts to the shock towers and would I still have to the body around the luggage compartment? |
What you see tied into the shock towers has nothing to do with the B5 install, it is a traction bar/frame horn brace setup.
Yes you will still have to box in the area around the seat bottom cause your using an early body, however you won't have to do as many mods to the pan like I did since it's late model. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
56 Wolfsburg PG/SG
57 Oval, 2332 & Berg 5
70 911T
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RennyRB Samba Textbook Gangsta
Joined: August 10, 2006 Posts: 979 Location: Torrance
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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thebucket wrote: |
paulsvw wrote: |
Here are afew pictures of mine, I just picked it up from Rancho a few months ago..
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thebucket Samba Stockbroker
Joined: April 06, 2004 Posts: 3734 Location: Houston Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Wert4580 wrote: |
thebucket wrote: |
paulsvw wrote: |
Here are afew pictures of mine, I just picked it up from Rancho a few months ago..
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Its an extensions of its penis.......
Or a breather tube? _________________ ITMC-El Presidente
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=150858&highlight=thebuckets++++fold |
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AXAM Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2003 Posts: 314 Location: Gods country,ca
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Trevor, thanks for the pics
I installed two 5 speeds now, one in a customer's speedster and the other in my daily driver (63 bug).
My real challenge is mounting my other 5 speed in my oval. after looking at the photo of the notch in the pan it makes more sense. Is there a specific year for that type 3 shift rod?
thanks again, I am glad I got around to installing it in my 63. It's fun having a close ratio box and then that stock fifth. _________________ Life is Good! Have a Nice Day!-don't worry about the jerks out there on the forum, in the end... they fall, and fall hard!
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Boy... your testing my memory.
I think it was from a 64 T3 but don't quote me on that. I just grabbed it from a pile of shift rods I had in my stash, and it was the closest to the proper length. If you go this route, you will have to drill a dimple on the top side for the grub screw.
Take some pics on your install and let us know how it goes. _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
56 Wolfsburg PG/SG
57 Oval, 2332 & Berg 5
70 911T
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F-22A Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2008 Posts: 556 Location: London
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Trevor P wrote: |
What you see tied into the shock towers has nothing to do with the B5 install, it is a traction bar/frame horn brace setup |
Been meaning to ask you Trevor, what make is your traction bar/frame horn brace? Looks nice and beefy. |
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Trevor P Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 863 Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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It's an Airspeed unit.
They no longer make them AFAIK. You may be able to find a new or used one on here www.airspeedparts.com _________________ 53 Canadian standard oval
56 Wolfsburg PG/SG
57 Oval, 2332 & Berg 5
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srj1200 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2007 Posts: 74
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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talk to Rick at Wright Gearbox, he built a 5 speed for one of his own bugs, and it turned out awesome. he built the freeway flyer for my oval, bitchen service!! good prices too!
J |
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Simon3 Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2004 Posts: 84 Location: Solihull, UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: Bears 5 Speed |
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Bears motorsports in the UK have just started doing a 5 speed conversion. Starts with a new machined mainshaft so is stronger than the Berg set up. Is well made as they do box's for race cars.
Have a look at an alternative. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Are the rest of the parts of their own design, or from Berg? _________________
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Simon3 Samba Member
Joined: February 27, 2004 Posts: 84 Location: Solihull, UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: Bears |
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No the complete kit is Bears own design.
They build race and street box's over in the UK.
The 5 speed kit is Phil's own design. He has been working on it for a while. Has a CNC milling machine that he makes the housing on. The main shaft is a new part so a lot stronger that the berg arrangement.
He does a cable shift sysyem or you can use the nomal shift rod.
Bears idea is 4 race gear ratio's then drive home with a taller 5th gear that allows you to cruise on the freeway.
Happy days !
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AXAM Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2003 Posts: 314 Location: Gods country,ca
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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How much??? any info on it. I checked their website and not much info _________________ Life is Good! Have a Nice Day!-don't worry about the jerks out there on the forum, in the end... they fall, and fall hard!
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-Alex77- Samba Member
Joined: December 09, 2008 Posts: 513 Location: Finland
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: |
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I will have built 4-speed late model 75-> IRS with quaife, HD sidecover, and stock ratios 3.88.
Maybe later berg 5, now this trans will cost to me about 1600 euros.
Still thinking berg 5, would it be cheaper and almost strong as porsche 901 5-speed with above mentioned parts and case? Especially in the long run? |
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rossi46 Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2009 Posts: 37 Location: Gastonia
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Around £2800 the bear gearbox I had a spec sheet sent to me last week |
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