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67FastyRSA
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| would be nice to have the dimentions of a 411/412 boot although i think that they might be hell to try and find..... Just a word of warning.... if you are going to try and clamp the type 3 boot on the flange as it is, it WILL tear. The original type 3 boots are made from natural rubber which is very brittle. I think it would be better to try and modify the boot on the flange side and use rubber cement to seal it where you modified it. |
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blankmange
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just thinking out loud, so bear with me:
can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body?
again, just suggesting... but couldn't this be done?
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BryanM
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just thinking out loud, so bear with me:
can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body?
again, just suggesting... but couldn't this be done? |
I have a intake tin that someone did that to.
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blankmange
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just thinking out loud, so bear with me:
can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body?
again, just suggesting... but couldn't this be done? |
I have a intake tin that someone did that to. |
and - how did it turn out?
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BryanM
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just thinking out loud, so bear with me:
can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body?
again, just suggesting... but couldn't this be done? |
I have a intake tin that someone did that to. |
and - how did it turn out? |
I havent bolted it up yet but it looks pretty good, I'll have to get pics
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blankmange
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| BryanM wrote: |
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just thinking out loud, so bear with me:
can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body?
again, just suggesting... but couldn't this be done? |
I have a intake tin that someone did that to. |
and - how did it turn out? |
I havent bolted it up yet but it looks pretty good, I'll have to get pics |
yeah - pics would be good; I have the parts to do this when I get to the Type 4 conversion, so was interested in how it all works out...
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tristessa
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| can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body? |
Problem is, that Type 4 piece that Josh posted pics of isn't tin. It's plastic. I'd *love* to find someone who can weld metal to plastic. 
Seriously, though, if I can ever get myself motivated again .. I was working on something like that, but in fiberglass. Didn't get too far before I had to pack everything up to move and haven't had the ambition to get back into it yet.. |
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blankmange
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| can you cut the cooling flange off the Type 3 tin and weld it on the Type 4 tin, giving you the correct shape for both the rubber boot and the cooling duct on the Type 3 body? |
Problem is, that Type 4 piece that Josh posted pics of isn't tin. It's plastic. I'd *love* to find someone who can weld metal to plastic.
Seriously, though, if I can ever get myself motivated again .. I was working on something like that, but in fiberglass. Didn't get too far before I had to pack everything up to move and haven't had the ambition to get back into it yet.. |
I see what you are saying; the fan assembly on the Type 4 motor sitting on my bench is metal, so welding the T3 flange onto it shouldn't be that tricky, other than cutting it to size...
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Air_Cooled_Nut
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Type4 conversion flange |
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Until I saw the LAST image I had no reference as to what I was looking at.
I think a fiberglass conversion part would be a good idea.
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tristessa
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| I see what you are saying; the fan assembly on the Type 4 motor sitting on my bench is metal, so welding the T3 flange onto it shouldn't be that tricky, other than cutting it to size... |
Ah, welding steel to aluminum .. that's also a neat trick I'd like to see. |
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Russ Wolfe
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| I see what you are saying; the fan assembly on the Type 4 motor sitting on my bench is metal, so welding the T3 flange onto it shouldn't be that tricky, other than cutting it to size... |
Ah, welding steel to aluminum .. that's also a neat trick I'd like to see. |
Welding steel to Magnesium, That a trick I would like to see only on the 4th of July.
That fan housing is magnesium.
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tristessa
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| Welding steel to Magnesium, That a trick I would like to see only on the 4th of July.That fan housing is magnesium. |
Oooh! Even better!   I was *guessing* that it's aluminum since that's what the T4 case is made of.. |
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blankmange
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| Welding steel to Magnesium, That a trick I would like to see only on the 4th of July.That fan housing is magnesium. |
Oooh! Even better! I was *guessing* that it's aluminum since that's what the T4 case is made of.. |
sounds like a job for JB Weld!!!
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Mr. Bubblehead
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The type 4 fan housing is aluminum.
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Russ Wolfe
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Are you sure??
I was told at VW schools that they were magnesium.
I know T-3's are magnesium. We use them for pyrotechnics on the 4th.
It does take a torche to get them started.
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67FastyRSA
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this reminds me of the Space Race.... Fountain pens didn't work so well in space so the Americans had the ball-point pen invented...
meanwhile the Russians just used pencils...
... seriously... using the plastic flange and just adapting the boot a little bit is less trouble and works well... |
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67FastyRSA
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Just touching on another stumbleblock you might encounter.... oil filler
Have any of you guys seen if a type 3 filler tube would bolt on correctly to the type iv case? I would love to not to have to open the lid to check oil ....(and top up of course) |
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josh
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| Have any of you guys seen if a type 3 filler tube would bolt on correctly to the type iv case? |
I'm also curious about this. I've looked into this a little. While their different getting the type3 filler to fit the case is no big deal. I havent really checked into fan housing clearance though. Another worry after comparing the type 3&4 cases is wether or not enough oil would flow into the tube to get a good reading. Trying to get the bus dipstick to line up with the type3 body is another option.
Another issue: I'm using a 914 case. Do i cut a hole in the case to add a filler and dipstick? |
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