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orangabug
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Pulled open the air filter cover in my new 68 sqbk and found that there was nothing there. What moden air filter would fit in there?
Maybe a FRAM part number or something that I can pick up at the local chain parts store.
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Russ Wolfe
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A stock air filter is an OIl bath filter. Probably better than any paper one you can find. There should have been about 1/2 pint of oil in the air filter bottom.
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To be exact, Russ, as I did this a couple of days ago, it should be 13.5 ounces  
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orangabug
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So after I add some oil what type of filter should go in there. Do you have any pictures?
BTW: Orderd a Bentley manual and still waiting for it to arrive... so I have a few of the bonehead questions till then.
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73notch
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no filter necessary. just oil
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The stock air cleaner does not take any type of inserted filter, it is a self contained unit. The actual filter part of the unit is in the upper piece when you open the cleaner up.
Just drain the oil out of the bottom, clean the sludge if there is any and put 13.5oz SAE 30 oil in.
Put it back on the engine and your good to go.
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| orangabug wrote: |
So after I add some oil what type of filter should go in there. Do you have any pictures?
BTW: Orderd a Bentley manual and still waiting for it to arrive... so I have a few of the bonehead questions till then. |
no paper - oil only...
believe it or not, the oil bath air filter is superior to any filter element you will ever stuff in there...
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Bobnotch
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You must have one of those Brazilian air cleaners from the kits sold back in the late 70's and early 80's.  The closest filter I've found that fit's in there is from an 83 chevy cavalier 2.0 tbi (if I remember correctly). It's a little smaller in diameter, but it's the right height. I had one of those units in my wife's Fastback (it came with the car), and I searched all over trying to find one (with the VW and Audi part numbers). I never did find the correct one, but I did get close.  Since then, I've found / got an oil bath filter, and stopped looking for them.  Just so you know, K&N wasn't any help either. 
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Russ Wolfe
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| You must have one of those Brazilian air cleaners from the kits sold back in the late 70's and early 80's. The closest filter I've found that fit's in there is from an 83 chevy cavalier 2.0 tbi (if I remember correctly). It's a little smaller in diameter, but it's the right height. I had one of those units in my wife's Fastback (it came with the car), and I searched all over trying to find one (with the VW and Audi part numbers). I never did find the correct one, but I did get close. Since then, I've found / got an oil bath filter, and stopped looking for them. Just so you know, K&N wasn't any help either. |
I have pictures of the paper filter style on my web site. Notchboy put them up I believe.
http://classicvw.org/gallery/notchboy
That is what the paper cartridge ones look like.
And also, even Mahle Filters is no help on getting the cartridges. BTDT I work for Mahle Filters.
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How about if you have after market air filters, Could you use the oil bath air filter?  I currently have 34ict's and would like to use the oil if possible. Or does anyone make some K&N style filter that could fit under the engine lid? |
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orangabug
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After looking through a box of stuff that came with the car... I found a modern air filter that fit right in the there. Wonder if it was used? Wonder if it was used with or without oil? Would it have hurt anything?
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Does the filter assembly look like the one on my web site??
http://classicvw.org/gallery/notchboy/1073066772437_MVC_010S
If it looks like that one? then put the cartridge in and run it. Be be forwarned, that you probably won't find another cartridge for it.
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orangabug
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Nope. It has a orange trim and I can barely make out a part number that starts with PH. If I'm not mistaken, it looks like your run of the mill AutoZone/PepBoys/Kragen FRAM filter.
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| Does the filter assembly look like the one on my web site?? |
Nope. It has a orange trim and I can barely make out a part number that starts with PH. If I'm not mistaken, it looks like your run of the mill AutoZone/PepBoys/Kragen FRAM filter. |
In this case, just install it and go (no oil needed). You might want to take it to one of those places you listed above, and see if they have another one in stock.
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| How about if you have after market air filters, Could you use the oil bath air filter? I currently have 34ict's and would like to use the oil if possible. Or does anyone make some K&N style filter that could fit under the engine lid? |
If you're using ICTs, you're stuck with what you have, as the linkage would get in the way, along with having nothing for the wing nuts (on the oil bath air cleaner) to grab on to.
The choice of filters for them depends on the kits you have, as the CB Performance kits use a filter similar to a K&N, while the empi kit uses a paper element sealed to the tin halfs (the round ones anyway, and they appear to be a throw away type of setup). Some of the other empi knockoff's use a K&N style filter with the air cleaner cover plates clipped together, these are similar in style to the CB Performace elements, and can be cleaned or replaced. 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: air filter |
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hey again orangabug.
checking the oil bath filter was the first thing i did on my square
back in the fall. it is quirky - but it's not that there's no filter in there.
look at the underside of the lid closely. see the holes with steel wool inside.
dude - that's the filter! genious engineering design!
so, fill the other half of the assembly with half a quart
of monograde hd30 if you have it lying around. i get mine
at napa or coastal. harley's use it. that should be your summer
weight oil too if you're going old school monograde heavy duty
oil like me. hd 20 in the winter.
so there you have it. oil. steel wool. best filter. just change
the oil and scoop out the sludge on the bottom every couple months.
oil bath - the original k&n filter charger = ) |
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