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grailoc
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Longboardluv
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Do you have experience with the Wolfgang Seals leaking? Those Vewib once look really good! I just installed my safaris from Wolfgang and am kind of wondering if I should "upgrade" the seals to these Vewib ones.? |
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grailoc
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Longboardluv
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| okay thanks! I'll just install my Wolfgang seals for now and keep this in mind for a possible future upgrade! |
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biggestdaddyo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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I've searched this whole thread and can't see any reference to the safari's that are offered by CIP1. There is some talk of their seals being good, but has anyone tried the whole safari kit? They're currently available for $598.49 with free shipping. Thanks in advance.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC20%2D1000
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cru62
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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I've searched this whole thread and can't see any reference to the safari's that are offered by CIP1. There is some talk of their seals being good, but has anyone tried the whole safari kit? They're currently available for $598.49 with free shipping. Thanks in advance.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC20%2D1000 |
The photo with the ad looks like it's very old. That set looks like the POS ones that Wolfgang and Busboys used to sell with the modified vent latches that snap off immediately. They are also most likely the single "U" channel construction which doesn't support the glass when the windows are fully open. They also rust fast, easily massively. See if you can confirm that they at least switched to the original-looking latches. Otherwise, they are probably the same sets that WG & BB offer which are not worth the money, IMHO. Go with EIS or Creative.
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55samba
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| biggestdaddyo wrote: |
I've searched this whole thread and can't see any reference to the safari's that are offered by CIP1. There is some talk of their seals being good, but has anyone tried the whole safari kit? They're currently available for $598.49 with free shipping. Thanks in advance.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC20%2D1000 |
Wolfgang safaris are sold by just about everyone, they have U shaped frames.
Then you have the EIS Safaris with the original style frames.
Then you have CE aluminum frames.
You may as well check Wolfgang for their prices on safaris based on the link. If you are in a sunny area WG are fine. If you are in Seattle with rain all year around get something besides a bus. Then get Safaris for the bus. |
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krisbeetle
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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So its been a while since anyone has posted here.
After reading for hours and not seeing any updated information on wolfgang safaris, are they still the worst option? do they still just flex and break your window?
the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct?
all leak equally depending on seal or does v channel help? |
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cru62
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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So its been a while since anyone has posted here.
After reading for hours and not seeing any updated information on wolfgang safaris, are they still the worst option? YES do they still just flex and break your window? POSSIBLY
the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct? YES
all leak equally depending on seal or does v channel help? THE V-CHANNEL IS ONLY FOR LOOKS. THEY WILL STILL LEAK |
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krisbeetle
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| cru62 wrote: |
| krisbeetle wrote: |
So its been a while since anyone has posted here.
After reading for hours and not seeing any updated information on wolfgang safaris, are they still the worst option? YES do they still just flex and break your window? POSSIBLY
the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct? YES
all leak equally depending on seal or does v channel help? THE V-CHANNEL IS ONLY FOR LOOKS. THEY WILL STILL LEAK |
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So if the V channel is only for looks are they all equally as inferior to original then?
What currently makes Wolfgang worse than the other 2?
Is Wolfgang lacking an inner strengthener? Or just lacks the V channel? Do they still flex more than the other 2 options?
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Kris |
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Malokin Martin
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct?help? |
IZZY (Isado Byrd) is a fucking thief and a liar. Period.
Just buy the EIS V channel ones and be done. They have the correct profile that doesn’t look like a child bent square stock for the frame (like all the others) and they won’t fill your face with shards of non safety glass when a rock hits them like the CE ones (the fine print on these say off road only).
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cru62
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| Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| krisbeetle wrote: |
So its been a while since anyone has posted here.
After reading for hours and not seeing any updated information on wolfgang safaris, are they still the worst option? YES do they still just flex and break your window? POSSIBLY
the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct? YES
all leak equally depending on seal or does v channel help? THE V-CHANNEL IS ONLY FOR LOOKS. THEY WILL STILL LEAK |
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So if the V channel is only for looks are they all equally as inferior to original then? YES, TO VARYING DEGREES. EIS MIMIC THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF FOLDED METAL WHICH OVERLAPS IN SEVERAL AREAS. AS FAR AS STIFFENING BARS INSERTED IN THE VERTICAL SECTIONS IT IS UNCLEAR.
What currently makes Wolfgang worse than the other 2? OTHER THAN THE DESIGN, FIT AND FINISH NOT A DARN THING.
Is Wolfgang lacking an inner strengthener? YES Or just lacks the V channel? ALSO TRUE Do they still flex more than the other 2 options? ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ONLY.
Thanks
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krisbeetle
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| krisbeetle wrote: |
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| krisbeetle wrote: |
So its been a while since anyone has posted here.
After reading for hours and not seeing any updated information on wolfgang safaris, are they still the worst option? YES do they still just flex and break your window? POSSIBLY
the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct? YES
all leak equally depending on seal or does v channel help? THE V-CHANNEL IS ONLY FOR LOOKS. THEY WILL STILL LEAK |
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So if the V channel is only for looks are they all equally as inferior to original then? YES, TO VARYING DEGREES. EIS MIMIC THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF FOLDED METAL WHICH OVERLAPS IN SEVERAL AREAS. AS FAR AS STIFFENING BARS INSERTED IN THE VERTICAL SECTIONS IT IS UNCLEAR.
What currently makes Wolfgang worse than the other 2? OTHER THAN THE DESIGN, FIT AND FINISH NOT A DARN THING.
Is Wolfgang lacking an inner strengthener? YES Or just lacks the V channel? ALSO TRUE Do they still flex more than the other 2 options? ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ONLY.
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I appreciate the clarity..... It's a lot of coin for the eis especially after converting to cad and shipping... I'm sort of torn what to get now or if it's even worth it if it's still a inferior product... Your almost to the point where you just buy og and cry once...
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cru62
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| krisbeetle wrote: |
| cru62 wrote: |
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| krisbeetle wrote: |
So its been a while since anyone has posted here.
After reading for hours and not seeing any updated information on wolfgang safaris, are they still the worst option? YES do they still just flex and break your window? POSSIBLY
the CE and IZZY have V channel but neither fill with the stiffener like orriginal is this correct? YES
all leak equally depending on seal or does v channel help? THE V-CHANNEL IS ONLY FOR LOOKS. THEY WILL STILL LEAK |
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So if the V channel is only for looks are they all equally as inferior to original then? YES, TO VARYING DEGREES. EIS MIMIC THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF FOLDED METAL WHICH OVERLAPS IN SEVERAL AREAS. AS FAR AS STIFFENING BARS INSERTED IN THE VERTICAL SECTIONS IT IS UNCLEAR.
What currently makes Wolfgang worse than the other 2? OTHER THAN THE DESIGN, FIT AND FINISH NOT A DARN THING.
Is Wolfgang lacking an inner strengthener? YES Or just lacks the V channel? ALSO TRUE Do they still flex more than the other 2 options? ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ONLY.
Thanks
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I appreciate the clarity..... It's a lot of coin for the eis especially after converting to cad and shipping... I'm sort of torn what to get now or if it's even worth it if it's still a inferior product... Your almost to the point where you just buy og and cry once...
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I have a set of OG frames that need some work. I am planning on refreshing them myself and will document the process and pitfalls. Of course, that will depend on if I ever get any time off this Winter 
Buy the set that campingbox has for sale. They are a good deal and a good start. Order some staceyz glass and you are good to go! Nothing fits like OG.
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55samba
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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EIS Safaris are the only repo made like the original. All Safaris will leak more than non-Safaris.
Izzy Safaris are single wall unlike OG that have the inner structure as shown. This is OG VS EIS. Closest you can get with repo compared to OG...
Izzy has been showing up at Nor Cal shows again...
CE uses extruded aluminum frames. Good or bad I am not sure since I have not personally used them.
My take having personally using all of these, NOS OG>EIS>used OG>IZZY>Wolfgang
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ezcamper
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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EIS is closest to original. Chromed latches in the correct shape. Correct looking hinge. Chrome 1 piece wing bolts.
CE is a close second with an aluminum frame. They do not flex. You have to get laminated glass cut at a glass shop. Stainless latches in the correct shape. Correct looking hinge. Zinc wing bolt.
IZZ flex but my glass never broke. They are thinnest frame on the market. Chrome beetle latch handle on a correct looking aluminum base. Piano hinge. Zinc wing bolt.
Wolfgang, square style. Chrome beetle latch on ? material correct looking base. I have seen several broken bases. Steel or stainless frames. Piano hinge. Zinc wing bolt.
My repops, square style. Chrome beetle latch on pot metal chrome base. Stainless frames. Piano hinge. Stainless wing bolt.
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cru62
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Ok, I’ve done, what I think, has been an exhaustive search of this topic with no result. I have a set of OG Safari frames. The sliders need some love and I need to remove them. I have tried on a previous pair to remove them for reuse with no luck. I ordered a set of new rivets from a longtime seller on this site that, while “guaranteed” to fit original frames, were not even close and a complete waste of money.
So, my question then is- Who makes a slider rivet that is a direct replacement for the originals? Alternatively, is there a way to remove the original rivet in a way that it is reusable?
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thom
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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I'm doing some research because I want to install safaris in my deluxe.
After all these years, why do vendors still insist on the lazy-ass "fits 1950-1967" bullshit?
And why do they still offer only polished or off-white powder coat? Do people just not care?
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crofty
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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I'm doing some research because I want to install safaris in my deluxe.
After all these years, why do vendors still insist on the lazy-ass "fits 1950-1967" bullshit?
And why do they still offer only polished or off-white powder coat? Do people just not care? |
and nothing looks better than bright white frames on beige grey or even pearl white.
EIS offers their kits in primer.
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Malokin Martin
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: Safaris discussion thread |
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| If its any consolation, I know Wolfgang will send you the frames apart for paint and then assemble them for no charge. It’s half assed, but it’s something |
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