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oilspot
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 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: Radio grille cloth / radio installation / radio bracket |
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Did busses have some cloth behind the grille when new? Never though there was anything in there.
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Moderator summary of thread:
Sources for original-style speaker grill:
1. Locate used, through the site or elsewhere
2. Wolfsburg West: http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211805205
Sources for 6" speakers:
1. http://www.turnswitch.com/speakers.htm
2. http://www.altex.com/, specifically:
http://www.altex.com/Philmore-6-Replacement-PA-Speaker-TS60-P144057.aspx
Sources/Options for speaker grill cloth:
1. Hardware store - Fiberglass screen
2. Speaker cloth - eBay, speaker store, or salvaged from home speakers
Speaker grille template (original, may be too small):
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Here is a quick sketch of my grill cloth, with associated dimensions. These are approximate, as my cloth was pretty close to falling apart in my hands, but it should be a starting poinht for anyone trying to make their own.
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Template from EverettB (larger and covers entire grille):
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Template:
This is a template for a 60/61 style Sapphire I so your radio may differ slightly. |
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langsmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| I think just the ones with radios had it. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| langsmer wrote: |
| I think just the ones with radios had it. |
That would make sense. The purpose of the grille cloth is to hide the radio and speaker, and to protect the speaker. If your 3 year old can see the speaker, he's tempted to poke things into it. Who, me? It also keeps the sun off, which is death to speaker cones.
Starting in 1960 with the Sapphire I bus kit there was a Bendix part number for it, with a list price of 30 cents. When Motorola starting making Sapphire bus radios in 1964 there was also a Motorola part number for it. I've never seen it in a VW parts book. It's basically black, starched, light weight cotton muslin, cut to size with the radio hole cut out.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I glued a piece of speaker cloth across the speaker bracket. It looks o.k. |
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velvetgreen
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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i also put cloth across mine- it looks like crap sitting naked otherwise and debris falls into etc.
Much less noticeable with cloth there- isn't that the whole reason it goes behind the dash in the first place? |
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Clara
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I had a 67 kombi with an og installed sapphire radio in it. there was a black mesh cloth between the dash and the radio and speaker. no glue
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My bus came with a radio and still has this cloth. Its brown and is like a light burlap. Its a loose weave. I put a Sapphire II in that crapped out so I need to take it out and have it rebuilt, if I think of it I'll take a picture of the cloth when I take out the radio.
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incynr8
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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anyone have a pic of the grill cloth pattern so I can get this stuff repo'ed?
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: |
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67 Westy (Kombi). Radio installed by dealer and untouched since teardown. Grill "cloth" was gray fiberglass insect screen. I bought a roll of it at home depot and cut a new one using the old wasted one as a pattern. Offered it up from behind and it looks great.
I am however tempted to rattle can it flat black before installing. I have not installed it yet because I am still looking for a speaker. |
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incynr8
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Sapphire or Blaupunkt dealer install?
Is there a difference or variance in the 'cloth'? Anyone else?
Seems like it's just screening mesh then, not a true fabric cloth?
If so, easy enough! 
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incynr8
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the top pics shows the speaker and bracket. It is mounted to the side of the radio, on the pass side.
This thread is mostly concerning the absolute stock style (single speaker, mono) dealer installations of sapphire radios particularly, but the operation is similar for vintage blaupunkts.
The grill cloth reference is an aestetic and protective layer between the speaker and radio surround and the back of the stock dash, to keep a nice appearance and junk out.
I am brining up the old thread to dermine the look and texture that is correct for the cloth itself.
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I used dark grey felt. Looks good to me.
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incynr8
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really nothing CAME with radios.
They were dealer installed mostly 60 up.
Sapphire, Motorola, or Blaupunkt.
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Major Woody
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Ours was a Bendix.
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hazetguy
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pics of an original mesh.
sun faded front:
back side is black:
original (left) compared to a piece of mesh i found at a hardware store (right). close, but not exact:
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DanM
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: Re: grille cloth? |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/sapphireiii_bus_install.php
FWIW - my last so23 had a dealer installed Blaupunkt in it, and it also had the black screen-like material behind the dash. I seem to remember it having a cardboard border around it to hold the shape, but my memory could be failing me. |
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AlteWagen
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Were deluxe radios also dealer installed??
I remember bits of cloth when I removed my radio but had no idea it was supposed to be that big!! |
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