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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: carb spacer Reply with quote

would a 63 deluxe with 1500 engine option use a spacer between the carb and intake manifold. what is the purpose of that spacer anyway? tia,paul horvath.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the spacer about an inch thick?
Could be a modified governor base.
I've seen governor sections modified to eliminate the governor function, but kept in to keep the alignment of the accelerator cable and air intake in the stock location.
The only other spacer I can think of is a single port to dual port adapter to allow mixing and matching intake manifolds and carbs.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:35 pm    Post subject: base Reply with quote

it's not a modifies gov. base. i have heard these were used so the air clearer hose is more horizontal when it connects to the carb.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can point it out to me when we get to Terryville this weekend, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has it been converted to 12v. I've seen spacers on 12v conversions so that the accelerator pump arm on the carb clears the bigger generator.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They make a spacer to take the place of the governor
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I machined a spacer on a mill out of a block of aluminum when I needed one. It worked great. I used the long studs for the carb that would have originally been on an engine with a governor. I used a governor as a spacer too once, but that square port and flap doesn't do good things for airflow.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.

'63 owner's manual page
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page

the owners manual photos should only be considered to be correct for the specific thing that the picture is referring to. it is entirely possible that they used a bug photo because the lubrication points are the same. it is also entirely possible that the picture is showing exactly how it should be on a bus engine.

I don't know exactly what a '63 1500 would take.

the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Lind,
Thanks for the info about the different intake manifolds.
It seems so obvious, when you put it that way, but I had a pile of manifolds and was trying to get one to both fit the application, and hopefully be a good (non burned-through heat riser) manifold.
I couldn't for the life of me figure out why some of them wouldn't line up.

Duh!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: spacer Reply with quote

so it would not have been installed just to raise the carb up to meet the air cleaner elbow right? anyone have an nos or nice 211 intake? had a correct nos one on my 65 westy but that sadly was sold.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean this:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lind wrote:
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A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page

the owners manual photos should only be considered to be correct for the specific thing that the picture is referring to. it is entirely possible that they used a bug photo because the lubrication points are the same. it is also entirely possible that the picture is showing exactly how it should be on a bus engine.

I don't know exactly what a '63 1500 would take.

the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor.


To provide more info:
I've looked at the 63/64/65 Deluxe Bus owner's manuals (red cover). There are 2 owner's manual's dated early 1964. One dated 1/64, one dated 2/64. The 2/64 one has a governor pictured, the 1/64 one does not.

I wouldn't call that conclusive but I think it provides some good information.

To counter my own argument, Progressive Refinements says:
3 Aug. 1964
215 000 001
Engine # 0 578 878
1.5 Liter engine
Now: with speed limiter

If the 211 manifold is shorter to allow for the governor, I'm guessing a '63 1500 would not have a 211 manifold.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lind wrote:
EverettB wrote:
A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page



the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor.


On Tommys 61 Westy (1680 SP) here in Havasu it had a bug intake manifold (don't know which year) and the carb hit the generator. He changed it to a later bug manifold and the carb cleared fine. From what I have seen and have here, there are at least 5 or more different variations on single port 1500/1600 mainifolds. The main differences in them being the height and location of the carb mounting area.
In the 211 catagory I have 2 different ones, one for governor and one for no governor, difference being the height of the carb mounting base.
1 is approx 1 1/2 inch taller then the other, so the taller one might be a 63 1500 option, no governor style?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
Lind wrote:
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A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page

the owners manual photos should only be considered to be correct for the specific thing that the picture is referring to. it is entirely possible that they used a bug photo because the lubrication points are the same. it is also entirely possible that the picture is showing exactly how it should be on a bus engine.

I don't know exactly what a '63 1500 would take.

the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor.


To provide more info:
I've looked at the 63/64/65 Deluxe Bus owner's manuals (red cover). There are 2 owner's manual's dated early 1964. One dated 1/64, one dated 2/64. The 2/64 one has a governor pictured, the 1/64 one does not.

I wouldn't call that conclusive but I think it provides some good information.

To counter my own argument, Progressive Refinements says:
3 Aug. 1964
215 000 001
Engine # 0 578 878
1.5 Liter engine
Now: with speed limiter

If the 211 manifold is shorter to allow for the governor, I'm guessing a '63 1500 would not have a 211 manifold.


The Bentley has pics of the 1200 and the "new" 1500 as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the '63 shop manual:
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From March, 1963, Chassis #1 041 014, Engine No. 143 543, a speed limiter - part No. 211 129 551 C - is available from the engine of the Type 2/1500 under M No. 172.


It goes on to state the same information as Progressive Refinements.

So I guess you could get it before 1965 as M-code 172. Interesting, I will add that to the M-Code list.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mskeen wrote:
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:17 am    Post subject: spacer Reply with quote

yes, that is the one i was referring to. now to check my vin.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Matt,
What's that from?


That's a governor/carb spacer for a short manifold. I removed it when I installed my Kads.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: intake Reply with quote

what intake would this be? 211 129 701 D ?
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