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p horvath Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: carb spacer |
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would a 63 deluxe with 1500 engine option use a spacer between the carb and intake manifold. what is the purpose of that spacer anyway? tia,paul horvath. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Is the spacer about an inch thick?
Could be a modified governor base.
I've seen governor sections modified to eliminate the governor function, but kept in to keep the alignment of the accelerator cable and air intake in the stock location.
The only other spacer I can think of is a single port to dual port adapter to allow mixing and matching intake manifolds and carbs. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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p horvath Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: base |
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it's not a modifies gov. base. i have heard these were used so the air clearer hose is more horizontal when it connects to the carb. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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You can point it out to me when we get to Terryville this weekend, right? _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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oilspot Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Has it been converted to 12v. I've seen spacers on 12v conversions so that the accelerator pump arm on the carb clears the bigger generator. |
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
Joined: May 03, 2000 Posts: 5927 Location: back to living where hell meets the suface
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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They make a spacer to take the place of the governor _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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Flipseat Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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I machined a spacer on a mill out of a block of aluminum when I needed one. It worked great. I used the long studs for the carb that would have originally been on an engine with a governor. I used a governor as a spacer too once, but that square port and flap doesn't do good things for airflow. _________________ Insert random important looking club initials here. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Lind Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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EverettB wrote: |
A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page |
the owners manual photos should only be considered to be correct for the specific thing that the picture is referring to. it is entirely possible that they used a bug photo because the lubrication points are the same. it is also entirely possible that the picture is showing exactly how it should be on a bus engine.
I don't know exactly what a '63 1500 would take.
the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor. _________________ .
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j.pickens Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Hey Lind,
Thanks for the info about the different intake manifolds.
It seems so obvious, when you put it that way, but I had a pile of manifolds and was trying to get one to both fit the application, and hopefully be a good (non burned-through heat riser) manifold.
I couldn't for the life of me figure out why some of them wouldn't line up.
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p horvath Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2003 Posts: 1225 Location: south carolina
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:31 am Post subject: spacer |
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so it would not have been installed just to raise the carb up to meet the air cleaner elbow right? anyone have an nos or nice 211 intake? had a correct nos one on my 65 westy but that sadly was sold. |
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mskeen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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You mean this:
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Lind wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page |
the owners manual photos should only be considered to be correct for the specific thing that the picture is referring to. it is entirely possible that they used a bug photo because the lubrication points are the same. it is also entirely possible that the picture is showing exactly how it should be on a bus engine.
I don't know exactly what a '63 1500 would take.
the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor. |
To provide more info:
I've looked at the 63/64/65 Deluxe Bus owner's manuals (red cover). There are 2 owner's manual's dated early 1964. One dated 1/64, one dated 2/64. The 2/64 one has a governor pictured, the 1/64 one does not.
I wouldn't call that conclusive but I think it provides some good information.
To counter my own argument, Progressive Refinements says:
3 Aug. 1964
215 000 001
Engine # 0 578 878
1.5 Liter engine
Now: with speed limiter
If the 211 manifold is shorter to allow for the governor, I'm guessing a '63 1500 would not have a 211 manifold. _________________ How to Post Photos
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splitpile Samba's Worst Speller
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Lind wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page |
the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor. |
On Tommys 61 Westy (1680 SP) here in Havasu it had a bug intake manifold (don't know which year) and the carb hit the generator. He changed it to a later bug manifold and the carb cleared fine. From what I have seen and have here, there are at least 5 or more different variations on single port 1500/1600 mainifolds. The main differences in them being the height and location of the carb mounting area.
In the 211 catagory I have 2 different ones, one for governor and one for no governor, difference being the height of the carb mounting base.
1 is approx 1 1/2 inch taller then the other, so the taller one might be a 63 1500 option, no governor style? _________________ Stocking distributor of "The Funky Green Panels"
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crofty Judas of the North
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:50 am Post subject: |
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EverettB wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
A '63 1500 would not have a spacer or a governor, to the best of my knowledge.
'63 owner's manual page |
the owners manual photos should only be considered to be correct for the specific thing that the picture is referring to. it is entirely possible that they used a bug photo because the lubrication points are the same. it is also entirely possible that the picture is showing exactly how it should be on a bus engine.
I don't know exactly what a '63 1500 would take.
the governor/spacer must be used in conjunction with a 211...... bus manifold. the 113...... bug manifold will sit too high to use the governor. |
To provide more info:
I've looked at the 63/64/65 Deluxe Bus owner's manuals (red cover). There are 2 owner's manual's dated early 1964. One dated 1/64, one dated 2/64. The 2/64 one has a governor pictured, the 1/64 one does not.
I wouldn't call that conclusive but I think it provides some good information.
To counter my own argument, Progressive Refinements says:
3 Aug. 1964
215 000 001
Engine # 0 578 878
1.5 Liter engine
Now: with speed limiter
If the 211 manifold is shorter to allow for the governor, I'm guessing a '63 1500 would not have a 211 manifold. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: |
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From the '63 shop manual:
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From March, 1963, Chassis #1 041 014, Engine No. 143 543, a speed limiter - part No. 211 129 551 C - is available from the engine of the Type 2/1500 under M No. 172. |
It goes on to state the same information as Progressive Refinements.
So I guess you could get it before 1965 as M-code 172. Interesting, I will add that to the M-Code list. _________________ How to Post Photos
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j.pickens Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: |
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mskeen wrote: |
You mean this:
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Matt,
What's that from? _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
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p horvath Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: spacer |
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yes, that is the one i was referring to. now to check my vin. |
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mskeen Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: |
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j.pickens wrote: |
mskeen wrote: |
You mean this:
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Matt,
What's that from? |
That's a governor/carb spacer for a short manifold. I removed it when I installed my Kads. _________________ "Gotta love the drops!" |
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p horvath Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: intake |
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what intake would this be? 211 129 701 D ? |
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