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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:05 pm    Post subject: pan switch for a 65 square Reply with quote

just wondering what pan i can use to swap the pan off a 65 square? got an extra one off a 70's square but the original pan off the 65 is pretty bad so what year can i switch the pan with? up too a 66? or how late of a model? is there a difference with a later models?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a late square will be IRS rather than the swing arm rear suspension...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "pans" are the same all the way through.. It is the rear suspension that is different. Swing axle versus IRS. IRS started in 1968 on the automatics, and continued on all T-3's with the '69.
The only thing to watch with changing pans, is that the title in most states goes with the pan and not the body. The VIN number under the rear seat is the legal VIN as far as law enforcement and VW goes. The others are too easy to swap.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:18 pm    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

not to sound dumb but whats IRS? so ur saying its all the same except the rear suspension? im thinking of finding another pan or just use the one i have for the 65...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Independent Rear Suspension. Has CV joints.
Your '65 would be swing axle, but the suspension portion is interchangable. You could reuse your old one.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool thanks! i'll take a closer look at it! right now im getting the drum frunt bracks done.... hope to drive it again soon. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I surjest you keep and repair that 65 pan if you want to keep calling it a 65. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just checking out my options before i do the job, and hopefully soon before my frunt suspension falls off Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would your front suspension be falling off? The bulk head is more a part of the tunnel than the pan half's.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was just exsadurating, next time i'll add a pic of it and u can tell me what u think.....
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What part of the pan are you looking for?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The "pans" are the same all the way through.. It is the rear suspension that is different.


Hello,

I did my share of pan swaps in the past.

There are some minor differences.

1: automatic pans don't have a clutch cable conduct - even no cut-out + cover for the shifter coupler at the nose of th gearbox.

2: IRS and Swing pans have different brake line routings at the back.
PITa to swap of create if you don't have both to see the difference. The T-piece copper splitter is in a different position too.

3: Don't forget about the seat conductors !

4: Small acces hole at the shifter base vs seperate piece - No problem though just harder to fit a new shifter tube bushing.

These are them all.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing thanks for the info! now the big question is fixt the old one or just replace it with the 70's pan i got!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, heater controls are different on early vs. late pans. Not important unless you need to maintain original appearance.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:45 pm    Post subject: i got it Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=226930

here is one pic of the frunt pan... so should i still try to fix it or just swap it?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: should it be done? Reply with quote

i got picture of the 70's pan, just wondering if i should repalce the pan from my 65 square with this 70's one? if not can someone huck me up with a 65 square pan?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That '70's pan you have in the gallery is really nice. The problem is it is from a '72 or '73 model that uses the later style seats, also a different location for the heater controls. I personally would fix the '65 pan with the pan haves from the other '72/'73 pan you have. You will have to weld your outer seat tracks on the pan. You will also have to remove the center (triangle shape) seat mount. I looked at the pic of your frame head, is it rusted through on the bottom? I think a good welder could fix this also. I still wish I had that choice pan sitting in my garage, as I need one for my '65 square.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if thats all there is then i would repair, it would be easier to cut out and weld a new plate into it than putting new pans in Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is anew update, the forks on the frunt suspension or frunt head is roted all the way, i had a small incident with the square as a result bent the frunt right head a little. now the frunt right side drops a little more than the left side Embarassed i can try fixing the pan need a new frunt fork head thing for the 65 pan... so what do you think? i'll get some new pics of the damage
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jack it up try get some good pics of everythings that damaged or gone, and take a pic of it when its on the floor aswell
im not sure what you mean by frOnt head thing, thow or frOnt right head either
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