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David58bug Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Ga
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: 5 inch lift done my way |
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I won't have any posts deleted I will delete them myself..
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vwclass11 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2002 Posts: 811 Location: MESA,AZ
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ellobo Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2004 Posts: 286 Location: O.C. California
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Now thats thinking out the box, Dude |
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hotratz Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2005 Posts: 382 Location: North Bend, Wa.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Any idea's for steering linkage? Very unique way of raising the body up. _________________ My Albums
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el loco kingo Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2005 Posts: 607 Location: temecula, california
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dr. awsome Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2005 Posts: 1298
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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very much not my way of doing it but who knows this might be the way to do it 20 years from now and your just the first person to actually try it! _________________ is it time to get out of the dirt and switch to the street? |
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USMCord1 Razorback
Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 1538 Location: Az
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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If what I see is correct you only have the top tube of the beam in your frame head, yes? If so what are you using to keep the beam from pivoting back? I have been wrong once before but I think that is a bad idea! _________________ For a Good time |
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el loco kingo Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2005 Posts: 607 Location: temecula, california
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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USMCord1 wrote: |
If what I see is correct you only have the top tube of the beam in your frame head, yes? If so what are you using to keep the beam from pivoting back? I have been wrong once before but I think that is a bad idea! |
i didnt even notice that. but now that i do, it does look like a bad idea. _________________ CUSTOM OFF ROAD FABRICATION FOR VW TYPE 1.. BOLT ON KITS. for more info, please go to: http://www.myspace.com/blackmetalworks
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David58bug Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Ga
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: steering no problem |
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I won't have any posts deleted I will delete them myself.
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David58bug Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Ga
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: Look again at the frame head |
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I welded two plates to the upper shock towers, and added a fake tube to mount to the upper frame head. So now the top part of the original beam is in the lower part of the frame head. I am going to take it back apart and make new shock towers. I just am using this as a pattern. This is a link pin bug. If you measure center to center of the tubes you have 5 inches. Doing it this way I won't be spending much money on the lift. I have a good back ground in front end alignment, as I learnt from my father. This should be as good as a stock front end. It should drive like a factory built bug. |
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USMCord1 Razorback
Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 1538 Location: Az
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: steering no problem |
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David58bug wrote: |
I am going to use a rack and pinion unit and mount it below the pan the lower tube on the beam will protect it. That should take care of bump steering issues. Just think how high you could raise this up with Longer arms and adjusters. Right now I have 17 inches of ground clearence, not measuring the steering box that will come off. |
Seeing that you are in GA, this will proably be a woods buggy, I am guessing. Well do me a favor, have somebody with a camera taking pictures as you land or try to climb up a rivine side. Hey I hope it works for you, I would really think more into it though. _________________ For a Good time |
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HamburgerBrad Je suis Napoléon!
Joined: February 21, 2003 Posts: 6957 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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your steering geometry will be off if you mount the rack on the bottom tube
from the front suspension thrad:
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do you think every trailing arm car has massive bump steer? you're probably imagining it as if the steering box/rack were perfetly in line with the mounting holes in the spindles. in fact, theyre always mounted forward of the mounting holes, and aft of the torsion tubes. take a look at where the top link pin goes through the spindle. now look at where the mounting hole is on the spindle. the mounting hole on the rack or box should be in the same position relative to the upper torsion tube. this allows the tie rods to swing in a conical shape throughout suspension travel. the trick is to get this to be a perfect cone and that will eliminate bump steer on a torsion arm suspension. |
what would need to happen is for the rack to be mounted on the top tube, which you have apparently removed the option to do _________________ OGST | CU05 | OGJHC
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ellobo Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2004 Posts: 286 Location: O.C. California
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry guys...But I think he's onto something here.
My first joke was going to be about steering angle stuff. But it can be easily overcome with a simple u-joint.
If he just adds a crossmember under the forward bulkhead and brings a couple of tubes down to the lower beam.
He's got it made..... I think you're on to something....
Just like this....only one beam lower.....make it happen.
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USMCord1 Razorback
Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 1538 Location: Az
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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The more you add the better the chance for a train wreck. Spend the time or the bucks turn the beam or raised spindles even longer arms. But hey we have to have something to talk about. Hope it works, really! Just think it is a long way to go about doing something that has several proven short cuts. Good Luck! _________________ For a Good time |
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David58bug Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Ga
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: Thanks ellobo |
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I won't have any posts deleted I will delete them myself.
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ellobo Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2004 Posts: 286 Location: O.C. California
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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David,
Noooo, You don't need to remove the pan head......It's way too simple..... ...I'm already working on your idea...It's very much like I support the back side of my a-arm system.
Unfortunately, I don't have access to my drawing software right now to further some illustrations.....I'll pick it up again for you tomorrow....
Of course you're not going to get the desired travel that most of want. But, you will get the wheel clearance ( just like the bodylift stuff from the early days of T-mag and up-yers) without the body lift.....
Class 11's will love you....... |
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Hollander Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Schiedam, Netherlands
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hotratz Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2005 Posts: 382 Location: North Bend, Wa.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:11 am Post subject: |
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David, you have to realize that while you did raise the pan you haven't gained anything under the lower tube. This is what is going to stop your forward progress in a mud bog or even a rutted trail. You still have a plow up front. I know it's temporary but that steering box hanging down like that only worsens the plow effect. What is the clearance that you have under the lower tube now? _________________ My Albums
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hotratz Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:14 am Post subject: |
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USMCord1 wrote: |
If what I see is correct you only have the top tube of the beam in your frame head, yes? If so what are you using to keep the beam from pivoting back? I have been wrong once before but I think that is a bad idea! |
He's got three tubes, The top two are tied into the frame head. _________________ My Albums
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vwclass11 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2002 Posts: 811 Location: MESA,AZ
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: |
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ellobo wrote: |
Class 11's will love you....... |
No we wont, at least I wont. And Hotratz is right, that bottom tube is just begging to snag on something. Just my .02, later, Mitch. _________________ www.lowlifeaz.com
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