Author |
Message |
ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
|
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ashman40 wrote: |
Having said all that... I've just gone through the entire thread and noticed no one posted a pic of the input shaft seal conversion kit that allows earlier transmissions to use the later style throwout bearings:
In the upper right (of the pic) is the special input shaft seal with an integrated sleeve. You also need the newer style release arm (in the kit) to work with the newer style throwout bearing (also included). The only custom part in this kit is the sleeve/seal. |
I included the link to the kit which contains the sleeve/seal in the above text. Move your cursor over the words "input shaft seal conversion kit".
*EDIT: Found another source for just the sleeve/seal:
http://www.bearsmotorsport.co.uk/Volkswagen-Parts-Performance-Parts-VW.aspx#clutch _________________ AshMan40
---------------------------
'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
|
Back to top |
|
|
joehadams Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 242 Location: Connecticut
|
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
so let me get this straight, i have a '67 transmission requiring an early throw out bearing. and a '54 engine with a pressure plate with centering ring. is this right or am i missing something? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kme9418 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2003 Posts: 277 Location: San Antonio, TX
|
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Okay, so which is better...early or later? Why? I have a late trans (3 threaded holes for the guide bushing). I do not have the guide bushing installed and I have an early cross shaft. I know the springs can pop off on the early TOB if not safety wired in place. I am in the middle of an engine swap anyway so I can go early or late on the PP and TOB since I still have to purchase them. Is it worth changing out the cross shaft to a late model just to make the switch? _________________ KME9418
1969 VW Beetle |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ezrydr Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2011 Posts: 106 Location: Alton IA
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
so if I understand all this correctly I can use this kit
[/url]
to replace my early style throwout bearing and then I can use this pressure plate; (which I have off a donor car)
right?
thanks,
Steve _________________ just another kid trapped in a 53 year old body |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
joehadams wrote: |
so let me get this straight, i have a '67 transmission requiring an early throw out bearing. and a '54 engine with a pressure plate with centering ring. is this right ? |
Yes. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ezrydr wrote: |
so if I understand all this correctly I can use this kit
[/url]
to replace my early style throwout bearing and then I can use this pressure plate; (which I have off a donor car)
right?
thanks,
Steve |
yes. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ezrydr Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2011 Posts: 106 Location: Alton IA
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I love simple. _________________ just another kid trapped in a 53 year old body |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kme9418 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2003 Posts: 277 Location: San Antonio, TX
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Asked more simply: Is there an advantage to the late style throwout bearing with the guide bushing over the early style without? _________________ KME9418
1969 VW Beetle |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
|
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ezrydr wrote: |
I love simple. |
Actually, IMHO it is simpler/easier to "bolt on" the correct pressure plate + TO bearing (that match the transmission) than to replace the input shaft seal on the transmission. _________________ AshMan40
---------------------------
'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ezrydr Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2011 Posts: 106 Location: Alton IA
|
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
I took the engine and tranny out of my chassis this weekend and also too the engine and tranny out of my donor chassis. The funny thing is the donor chassis has an older engine and a newer tranny and my buggy chassis is just the opposite.
My buggy has the early TO and pressure plate. Donor has the newer stuff.
TO in my buggy is shot and the pressure plate is very rusty. The donor flywheel and prssure plate look brand new.
It would be nice if I could use the flywheel and pressure plate off the donot car with the tranny in my buggy chassis.
That kit looked like it might be the way to go so I could use the donor parts.
So can you describe what is involved in replacing the input shaft seal on my early transmission? Is transmission disassembly required or can it be done from outside the case?
Thanks,
Steve _________________ just another kid trapped in a 53 year old body |
|
Back to top |
|
|
langan Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2010 Posts: 423 Location: Eagle ID.
|
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
On the three finger type can't I just make the centering ring bigger to fit over the TO bearing collar? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
|
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
langan wrote: |
On the three finger type can't I just make the centering ring bigger to fit over the TO bearing collar? |
There is a pic earlier in this thread that shows how to remove the center ring from the 3-finger type clutch plate:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1...;start=123
It may not work for ALL 3-finger plates, but the more recent ones should allow for this. _________________ AshMan40
---------------------------
'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
|
Back to top |
|
|
VWDruid Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2008 Posts: 1192 Location: Boca de Ratones FL
|
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
this link was on Performance FAQ "Sticky's" so I'll see if I can get my question filled here before starting a new thread.
my transmission started to slip and shake the other day so I swapped out the clutch cable just encase with no joy, so I have a good idea of what I may need but I thought I'd ask just in case I'm missing some thing.
091 trans on T1, Kennedy stage 2
systems: clutch peddle vibrates, engine takes longer to catch and higher rpm to engage, I can hear a small whine when engaging the clutch @ idle.
I'm thinking it's the clutch plate or maybe T/O bearing.
my shopping list
1700 LB. KENNEDY 200MM CLUTCH PLATE STAGE-I
CLUTCH RELEASE BRG
maybe
CLUTCH DISC
CROSS SHAFT BUS 76-79
any other suggestions or info? _________________ 70 Westy, 2027cc "dual DRLA 40 m140 i55 wjdoc a165 p33 v30 "w100 straight cut 040 polished heads 1.25 rockers 1.5 A1sidewinder supertrapp muffler trans 091 coil SUM-850500 CDI universal svda Pertronix
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
It's not the straight cut gears It's the T.A.R.D.I.S. engine.
wanted Chameleon Circuit |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
|
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
VWDruid wrote: |
091 trans on T1, Kennedy stage 2
systems: clutch peddle vibrates, engine takes longer to catch and higher rpm to engage, I can hear a small whine when engaging the clutch @ idle.
<...>
CROSS SHAFT BUS 76-79 |
Have you considered posting this question in the Bay Window Bus forum?
This thread was for which pressure plate + TO Bearing combo worked together. Your question is why your Bus tranny clutch is slipping... seems like the wrong thread.
My only input for your list is to consider that there are two sides to the clutch disc. It is sandwiched between the pressure plate and the flywheel. Both need to be in good shape for the clutch to work. Budget for resurfacing the flywheel surface and mounting flange. _________________ AshMan40
---------------------------
'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
|
Back to top |
|
|
VWDruid Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2008 Posts: 1192 Location: Boca de Ratones FL
|
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
O.k. thanks _________________ 70 Westy, 2027cc "dual DRLA 40 m140 i55 wjdoc a165 p33 v30 "w100 straight cut 040 polished heads 1.25 rockers 1.5 A1sidewinder supertrapp muffler trans 091 coil SUM-850500 CDI universal svda Pertronix
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
It's not the straight cut gears It's the T.A.R.D.I.S. engine.
wanted Chameleon Circuit |
|
Back to top |
|
|
schadenfreude Banned
Joined: August 25, 2011 Posts: 1535
|
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
easy way
look at tranny bell , look at pilot shaft it goes forward to tranny
is there a collar there? (like on real cars with real tranny)
or just an oil seal and T/O bearing floats and is held only by the Crossshaft fingers.?
the just an oil seal kind, is OLD style. 1969 , came that why new car.
if there is that collar (a pipe that the T/O bearing slides on
the tranny is either upgraded or they put the upgraded adaptor on old tranny.
a 5 cent photo solves this question.
there are 3 paths here.
old stock
newer tranny and clutch
or old tranny retrofitted with custom T/O guide.
sorry for long post, but no photos makes this hard. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17290 Location: Left coast, Canada
|
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
langan wrote: |
On the three finger type can't I just make the centering ring bigger to fit over the TO bearing collar? |
This won't work. The centering ring on the clutch adds height to the assembled unit. That extra height won't work with the late TO bearing. Just take the centering ring off the clutch. _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk..... |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
jrny99 Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2012 Posts: 52
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
|
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: this is a 70 beetle |
|
|
jrny99 wrote: |
I bought it and it had no clutch pedal. the cabled moved fine but not the trans. pulled it apart and this is what I saw.
http://en.gravatar.com/vw70bug |
Not clear what you mean by "I bought it"??
If these pics are of your transmission and pressure plate you need the later style TO bearing and pressure plate. The give away is the three mounting holes for the TO bearing sleeve.
I can't see clearly from your pic but two of the three bolt holes in the transmission which mount the sleeve the TO bearing rides on look to have the bolt broken off in the hole. Is this the case? If so, you will need to remove them to get a solid mount.
Also, your TO bearing in the pic seems to have fallen apart? This is not your NEW TO bearing, is it?
It seems many people look at the pressure plate they have (or want to reuse) or the TO bearing to decide which setup to use. Instead, start with the transmission. Does it have the three mounting holes for the sleeve (like yours)? Does it have the later style TO bearing release arm?
The transmission dictates the TO bearing to use. The TO bearing dictates the pressure plate that gets bolted to the flywheel. _________________ AshMan40
---------------------------
'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
|
Back to top |
|
|
mr.1971vwsuperbeetle Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2012 Posts: 21 Location: santa clarita ca
|
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thankyou so much everyone just saved my ass!! But naw I know what to do with the to bearring but naw I just don't know about the pressure plate how does tht go on after u put the bearring? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|