Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing

[ashman40]

[joehadams]

so let me get this straight, i have a '67 transmission requiring an early throw out bearing. and a '54 engine with a pressure plate with centering ring. is this right or am i missing something?

[kme9418]

Okay, so which is better...early or later? Why? I have a late trans (3 threaded holes for the guide bushing). I do not have the guide bushing installed and I have an early cross shaft. I know the springs can pop off on the early TOB if not safety wired in place. I am in the middle of an engine swap anyway so I can go early or late on the PP and TOB since I still have to purchase them. Is it worth changing out the cross shaft to a late model just to make the switch?
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1969 VW Beetle

[ezrydr]

so if I understand all this correctly I can use this kit

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to replace my early style throwout bearing and then I can use this pressure plate; (which I have off a donor car)

right?


thanks,
Steve
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[Cusser]

[Cusser]

[ezrydr]

I love simple.
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[kme9418]

Asked more simply: Is there an advantage to the late style throwout bearing with the guide bushing over the early style without?
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1969 VW Beetle

[ashman40]

[ezrydr]

I took the engine and tranny out of my chassis this weekend and also too the engine and tranny out of my donor chassis. The funny thing is the donor chassis has an older engine and a newer tranny and my buggy chassis is just the opposite.

My buggy has the early TO and pressure plate. Donor has the newer stuff.
TO in my buggy is shot and the pressure plate is very rusty. The donor flywheel and prssure plate look brand new.

It would be nice if I could use the flywheel and pressure plate off the donot car with the tranny in my buggy chassis.

That kit looked like it might be the way to go so I could use the donor parts.

So can you describe what is involved in replacing the input shaft seal on my early transmission? Is transmission disassembly required or can it be done from outside the case?

Thanks,
Steve
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[langan]

On the three finger type can't I just make the centering ring bigger to fit over the TO bearing collar?

[ashman40]

[VWDruid]

this link was on Performance FAQ "Sticky's" so I'll see if I can get my question filled here before starting a new thread.

my transmission started to slip and shake the other day so I swapped out the clutch cable just encase with no joy, so I have a good idea of what I may need but I thought I'd ask just in case I'm missing some thing.

091 trans on T1, Kennedy stage 2
systems: clutch peddle vibrates, engine takes longer to catch and higher rpm to engage, I can hear a small whine when engaging the clutch @ idle.

I'm thinking it's the clutch plate or maybe T/O bearing.
my shopping list

1700 LB. KENNEDY 200MM CLUTCH PLATE STAGE-I
CLUTCH RELEASE BRG
maybe
CLUTCH DISC
CROSS SHAFT BUS 76-79

any other suggestions or info?
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http://www.storyofstuff.com/
It's not the straight cut gears It's the T.A.R.D.I.S. engine.
wanted Chameleon Circuit

[ashman40]

[VWDruid]

O.k. thanks
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70 Westy, 2027cc "dual DRLA 40 m140 i55 wjdoc a165 p33 v30 "w100 straight cut 040 polished heads 1.25 rockers 1.5 A1sidewinder supertrapp muffler trans 091 coil SUM-850500 CDI universal svda Pertronix
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
It's not the straight cut gears It's the T.A.R.D.I.S. engine.
wanted Chameleon Circuit

[schadenfreude]

easy way
look at tranny bell , look at pilot shaft it goes forward to tranny
is there a collar there? (like on real cars with real tranny)
or just an oil seal and T/O bearing floats and is held only by the Crossshaft fingers.?

the just an oil seal kind, is OLD style. 1969 , came that why new car.
if there is that collar (a pipe that the T/O bearing slides on
the tranny is either upgraded or they put the upgraded adaptor on old tranny.

a 5 cent photo solves this question.

there are 3 paths here.
old stock
newer tranny and clutch
or old tranny retrofitted with custom T/O guide.

sorry for long post, but no photos makes this hard.

[Bruce]

[jrny99]

I bought it and it had no clutch pedal. the cabled moved fine but not the trans. pulled it apart and this is what I saw. looks to me like he has the wrong throw out bearing for the pressure plate. and maybe that centering bushing should not be there ? what holds the seal inside the trans housing ?

I did a search and it looks like I need an old style T.O.B. and plate

http://www.jbugs.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRO...1141025EBR

http://www.jbugs.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=JBUGS&Product_Code=111141165A

someone tell me if I'm on the right path here ? thank you

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[ashman40]

[mr.1971vwsuperbeetle]

Thankyou so much everyone just saved my ass!! But naw I know what to do with the to bearring but naw I just don't know about the pressure plate how does tht go on after u put the bearring?