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rnsdiesel
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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:05 pm Post subject: RE: Centering Ring |
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| The centering ring is part of the clutch pressure plate. If you have the 71 & later type of throwout bearing, remove this from the pressure plate. |
Is the centering ring easy to remove from the pressure plate? Anything I should know before trying this to avoid surprises?
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Cusser
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Centering Ring |
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| The centering ring is part of the clutch pressure plate. If you have the 71 & later type of throwout bearing, remove this from the pressure plate. |
Is the centering ring easy to remove from the pressure plate? Anything I should know before trying this to avoid surprises?
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It was very easy on my pressure plate - 5 minutes - but I still have/run a 3-finger pressure plate. So I don't know if it removes as easily on a diaphragm pressure plate.
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rnsdiesel
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Centering Ring |
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| The centering ring is part of the clutch pressure plate. If you have the 71 & later type of throwout bearing, remove this from the pressure plate. |
Is the centering ring easy to remove from the pressure plate? Anything I should know before trying this to avoid surprises?
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It was very easy on my pressure plate - 5 minutes - but I still have/run a 3-finger pressure plate. So I don't know if it removes as easily on a diaphragm pressure plate. |
My pressure plate is a Kennedy Stage 1. |
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BWD
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Is there suppose to be a gasket between the T/O guide sleeve and transmission? I seem to remember seeing an exploded view showing one, but can't find it now!
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BWD
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Thanks!
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rnsdiesel
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Centering Ring |
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| Cusser wrote: |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| The centering ring is part of the clutch pressure plate. If you have the 71 & later type of throwout bearing, remove this from the pressure plate. |
Is the centering ring easy to remove from the pressure plate? Anything I should know before trying this to avoid surprises?
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It was very easy on my pressure plate - 5 minutes - but I still have/run a 3-finger pressure plate. So I don't know if it removes as easily on a diaphragm pressure plate. |
My pressure plate is a Kennedy Stage 1. |
Has anybody removed the centering ring from a KEP Stage 1 pressure plate? Just curious if this is possible or if I need to buy a new one. Thanks |
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christiancarpenter
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hey guys, not to beat a dead horse but one more bit of clarification please. I have recently started a '68 project (no engine) that has the old style throw out bearing no sleeve). I got an engine from another guy that is a 1600dp from 1974. I ordered my clutch to match up to the engine before reading this sticky. can I use the old style throw out bearing with the new style pressure plate? I will get a brand new old style t.o. bearing if that is appropriate. sorry for asking this after 11 pages of replies just want to do it right the first time as I've never mixed and matched engines/trans before. thanks guys.
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christiancarpenter
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| or even better, just return my '74 clutch kit and buy a kit for a '68 beetle and be good to go? since my '74 engine has a 200mm flywheel the older models kit should mount up fine, right? |
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ashman40
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| or even better, just return my '74 clutch kit and buy a kit for a '68 beetle and be good to go? since my '74 engine has a 200mm flywheel the older models kit should mount up fine, right? |
This is the better option. You need an early style TO bearing... your clutch must match this.
'67~ Beetles all used 200mm clutches. They will all mount to the flywheel from the same years.
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christiancarpenter
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| or even better, just return my '74 clutch kit and buy a kit for a '68 beetle and be good to go? since my '74 engine has a 200mm flywheel the older models kit should mount up fine, right? |
This is the better option. You need an early style TO bearing... your clutch must match this.
'67~ Beetles all used 200mm clutches. They will all mount to the flywheel from the same years. |
thank you for the confirmation. I appreciate your time. |
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How does the late style TO bearing go on, the coil in the clip, up or down?
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I assume this pressure plate with ring can only be used in early transmission no sleeve? Thanks,
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You can take that ring off.
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But for an early IRS throw out I need the ring right?
And there's no fingers under this ring, so if I took it off I'd have nothing?
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BWD
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Do you have the sleeve on your transmission?
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Sure dont it's early throw
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mikeonthebike
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But for an early IRS throw out I need the ring right?
And there's no fingers under this ring, so if I took it off I'd have nothing? |
There are the 3 big fingers rather than a lot of small fingers. If you don't have the sleeve it is an earlier style with the ring on the pressure plate. |
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ashman40
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:34 am Post subject: |
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I assume this pressure plate with ring can only be used in early transmission no sleeve? Thanks, |
If you wanted to use that pressure plate with a later style transmission/release bearing (that needs a sleeve around the trans input shaft) you would remove the center ring and it would look like this:
The late style release bearing would ride the three "finger tips" the same way it rides the tips of the many diaphragm fingers.
So to answer your question, the pictured pressure plate CAN be used with either early or late style release bearings. Just lift the spring clips and remove the ring to use with the later style release bearing.
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