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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Scorcho wrote: |
. . . seems to be wider . . . |
Not all throwout bearings are made the same. You are not dealing with "VW" parts, y'know, its all aftermarket stuff.
If it fits, it's probably OK. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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kearney_ghia Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2014 Posts: 6 Location: Orange, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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So, I just installed a motor that I bought that had a clutch on it. I had the motor rebuilt and the builder said the clutch looked fine with very little wear
Long story short, I installed the motor, but when I go to drive the car the clutch is really soft, like ZERO pressure on the pedal. When I put it in gear there is no grinding and when I let the clutch out no go.
I thought maybe the cable needed to be adjusted since it was supposed to be a new clutch, the previous adjustment was about in the middle. I loosened it up to where the nut is only a few turns from coming off the cable but still no pedal pressure.
Is there a possibility that the throw out bearing didn't mate up to the pressure plate properly when I installed the motor?
I have the later style throw out bearing with the sleeve and my clutch just had the splines on it. |
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24dakota24 Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:43 pm Post subject: what clutch kit should i get |
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thanks in advance! _________________ Tool and Die
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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24dakota24 wrote: |
Here are the pics of the clutch and tranny, any help thanks. |
Your disc looks good.
Post a picture of where the throwout bearing goes on the trans.
Measure the width of the clutch disc and post the measurement.
CA is a 1971 trans.
Good luck
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24dakota24 Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:24 pm Post subject: clutch disc |
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Here is a pic of where the throw out bearing goes. It looks pretty good. The clutch disc is actually screwed. When I took it apart the back of the disc was sheared off.
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24dakota24 Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:26 pm Post subject: flywheel |
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It looks to me like the flywheel had a bushing in it. Is this normal? Its hard to tell from the pic.
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Tcash Samba Member
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24dakota24 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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The clutch plate measures 8 1/4" which would be for a 72 but my transmission is '71. Besides the felt seal kit would I buy the clutch kit for the 71 or the 8 1/4" that's in it now. Could that be the cause of the clutch failure? _________________ Tool and Die
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3889 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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The clutch disk&pressure plate need to match the flywheel. To use a '71 002 trans with a '72-up Type 4 engine, the input shaft needs to
be changed to the longer version used in later models. The early shaft protrudes past the clutch housing 17 mm max, the later one 28 mm max. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15975 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:03 am Post subject: Re: flywheel |
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24dakota24 wrote: |
It looks to me like the flywheel had a bushing in it. Is this normal? Its hard to tell from the pic.
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This pic had me confused for a minute. All T-1 flywheels I have seen have either 4 or 8 dowel holes. You 5 hole flywheel was odd looking.
Why are you posting T-2 clutch questions in the T-1 forum? You might get better support in the T-2 forum.
I wouldn't want to see future readers confused thinking there is something wrong with their T-1 setup. _________________ AshMan40
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ashman40 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:22 am Post subject: |
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kearney_ghia wrote: |
When I put it in gear there is no grinding and when I let the clutch out no go. |
Does this mean with the engine running you can step in the clutch and move the shifter into any gear w/o any grinding? This would indicate that the engine is disconnected from the transmission.
Was your transmission working properly before you installed the engine?
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I thought maybe the cable needed to be adjusted since it was supposed to be a new clutch, the previous adjustment was about in the middle. I loosened it up to where the nut is only a few turns from coming off the cable but still no pedal pressure. |
Try removing the wing nut and move the clutch release arm by hand. Initially you should be only fighting the arm spring on the outside of the case. At some point the TO bearing will contact the pressure plate diaphragm and the pressure will drastically increase. You want to adjust the wing nut to hold the arm around this point. _________________ AshMan40
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jakerot Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2012 Posts: 205 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin |
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Hello all. Quick questions
Is this centering ring able to be removed and even re-installed? If so, how?
Looks like a hack job on the retaining ring underneath might allow it to come out, but not be reused.
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cozza Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2006 Posts: 28 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:19 am Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin |
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Hi guys,
Tried to match my 1600dp to the type 3 gearbox in my split kombi
Got it most of the way in but there's a bout a 10mm gap as it's hitting something
This is the setup I have, I can't figure out what's wrong.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers
Corey
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin |
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Is the flywheel clearing the mediocre grinding job on that early transaxle?
Did you try this with the starter removed ? On that note, if you are going to use a 12 volt starter, this is the time to install a 12-volt starter bushing, or consider an auto-stick type starter which doesn't need a bushing. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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ashman40 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin |
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I know there are many styles of TO bearings and those made by different manufacturers may look different, but I've never seen an early style TO bearing with the raised inner ring like in your pic. Maybe it is just a new style. Normally I'd expect to see a flat surface on the TO bearing so it can mate up with the flat surface of the centering ring.
I found a pic in the gallery with two different style early TO bearings.
You need to check that the new style TO bearing (top) fits well into the pressure plate centering ring. If the raised ring prevents a flush fit to the PP it could be holding the transmission from fully seating.
Also, did you use a tool to center the clutch disc so the transmission input shaft will slide into the center of the disc?
Another trick is to put the transmission into gear and turn the wheel as you slide the engine onto the transmission input shaft. This lines up the splines on the shaft with the splines in the disc. _________________ AshMan40
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cozza Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2006 Posts: 28 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin |
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Thanks guys,
The flywheel definitely clears, I have another one same size that I used as the template, and starter bushing is the 6v to 12v one so all good and yes been trying without started installed.
I think I'll give the to bearing another look at. Maybe it's a new style that just doesn't fit because of the raised section you mentioned.
Appreciate the help guys I'll let you know what the outcome is! _________________ 63, 11 window bus. Currently being restored. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31268 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin |
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Also, back off the clutch pedal adjustment before trying to install that engine (sounds like a new clutch/pressure plate). _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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HenrikL Samba Member
Joined: October 31, 2005 Posts: 313 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing |
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I found a unused 200 diaphragm type pressure plate. I want to use it in my 1964 Type 3, which need the ring on the pressure plate.
Is it possible to buy a ring to convert my pressure plate to the old style?
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EddyWill Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 9 Location: Pensacola, Fl
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing |
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Thank goodness for this site.... Question, I have 2 engines and 2 trans-axles, one engine is shot so I swapped to the other. Now I realize I have a mismatch - can I just swap the pressure plates? I have a 68 and a 70. Thanks _________________ Zoom Zoom!! |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing |
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EddyWill wrote: |
Thank goodness for this site.... Question, I have 2 engines and 2 trans-axles, one engine is shot so I swapped to the other. Now I realize I have a mismatch - can I just swap the pressure plates? I have a 68 and a 70. Thanks |
Use the pressure plate from the "shot" engine, if that one worked fine. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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