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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorcho wrote:
. . . seems to be wider . . .


Not all throwout bearings are made the same. You are not dealing with "VW" parts, y'know, its all aftermarket stuff.
If it fits, it's probably OK.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I just installed a motor that I bought that had a clutch on it. I had the motor rebuilt and the builder said the clutch looked fine with very little wear

Long story short, I installed the motor, but when I go to drive the car the clutch is really soft, like ZERO pressure on the pedal. When I put it in gear there is no grinding and when I let the clutch out no go.

I thought maybe the cable needed to be adjusted since it was supposed to be a new clutch, the previous adjustment was about in the middle. I loosened it up to where the nut is only a few turns from coming off the cable but still no pedal pressure.

Is there a possibility that the throw out bearing didn't mate up to the pressure plate properly when I installed the motor?

I have the later style throw out bearing with the sleeve and my clutch just had the splines on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:43 pm    Post subject: what clutch kit should i get Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here are the pics of the clutch and tranny, any help thanks.


Your disc looks good.

Post a picture of where the throwout bearing goes on the trans.

Measure the width of the clutch disc and post the measurement.

CA is a 1971 trans.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:24 pm    Post subject: clutch disc Reply with quote

Here is a pic of where the throw out bearing goes. It looks pretty good. The clutch disc is actually screwed. When I took it apart the back of the disc was sheared off.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:26 pm    Post subject: flywheel Reply with quote

It looks to me like the flywheel had a bushing in it. Is this normal? Its hard to tell from the pic.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: clutch disc Reply with quote

24dakota24 wrote:

You need to measure the clutch disc width, diameter.
You have 3 choices.
1971 200mm about (7-3/4") http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=311141031DGR
1972-75 210mm about (8-1/4")
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211141031G
1972-75 215mm about (8-1/2")
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=043141031H
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Here are some kits.
71 200mm
http://www.busdepot.com/kf22401
72-2/74 210mm
http://www.busdepot.com/kf22501


The pilot bearing should be in the center of the crankshaft not the flywheel.
http://www.busdepot.com/111105313a
There was a felt seal and a retainer that went in the flywheel.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7155854#7155854
Here is the kit.
http://www.germansupply.com/home/customer/product.php?productid=17192&cat=&page=1

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clutch plate measures 8 1/4" which would be for a 72 but my transmission is '71. Besides the felt seal kit would I buy the clutch kit for the 71 or the 8 1/4" that's in it now. Could that be the cause of the clutch failure?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clutch disk&pressure plate need to match the flywheel. To use a '71 002 trans with a '72-up Type 4 engine, the input shaft needs to
be changed to the longer version used in later models. The early shaft protrudes past the clutch housing 17 mm max, the later one 28 mm max.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: flywheel Reply with quote

24dakota24 wrote:
It looks to me like the flywheel had a bushing in it. Is this normal? Its hard to tell from the pic.

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This pic had me confused for a minute. All T-1 flywheels I have seen have either 4 or 8 dowel holes. You 5 hole flywheel was odd looking.

Why are you posting T-2 clutch questions in the T-1 forum? You might get better support in the T-2 forum.
I wouldn't want to see future readers confused thinking there is something wrong with their T-1 setup.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kearney_ghia wrote:
When I put it in gear there is no grinding and when I let the clutch out no go.

Does this mean with the engine running you can step in the clutch and move the shifter into any gear w/o any grinding? This would indicate that the engine is disconnected from the transmission.
Was your transmission working properly before you installed the engine?


kearney_ghia wrote:
I thought maybe the cable needed to be adjusted since it was supposed to be a new clutch, the previous adjustment was about in the middle. I loosened it up to where the nut is only a few turns from coming off the cable but still no pedal pressure.

Try removing the wing nut and move the clutch release arm by hand. Initially you should be only fighting the arm spring on the outside of the case. At some point the TO bearing will contact the pressure plate diaphragm and the pressure will drastically increase. You want to adjust the wing nut to hold the arm around this point.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin Reply with quote

Hello all. Quick questions

Is this centering ring able to be removed and even re-installed? If so, how?

Looks like a hack job on the retaining ring underneath might allow it to come out, but not be reused.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin Reply with quote

Hi guys,

Tried to match my 1600dp to the type 3 gearbox in my split kombi

Got it most of the way in but there's a bout a 10mm gap as it's hitting something

This is the setup I have, I can't figure out what's wrong.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin Reply with quote

Is the flywheel clearing the mediocre grinding job on that early transaxle?

Did you try this with the starter removed ? On that note, if you are going to use a 12 volt starter, this is the time to install a 12-volt starter bushing, or consider an auto-stick type starter which doesn't need a bushing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin Reply with quote

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I know there are many styles of TO bearings and those made by different manufacturers may look different, but I've never seen an early style TO bearing with the raised inner ring like in your pic. Maybe it is just a new style. Normally I'd expect to see a flat surface on the TO bearing so it can mate up with the flat surface of the centering ring.
I found a pic in the gallery with two different style early TO bearings.
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You need to check that the new style TO bearing (top) fits well into the pressure plate centering ring. If the raised ring prevents a flush fit to the PP it could be holding the transmission from fully seating.

Also, did you use a tool to center the clutch disc so the transmission input shaft will slide into the center of the disc?
Another trick is to put the transmission into gear and turn the wheel as you slide the engine onto the transmission input shaft. This lines up the splines on the shaft with the splines in the disc.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin Reply with quote

Thanks guys,
The flywheel definitely clears, I have another one same size that I used as the template, and starter bushing is the 6v to 12v one so all good and yes been trying without started installed.

I think I'll give the to bearing another look at. Maybe it's a new style that just doesn't fit because of the raised section you mentioned.

Appreciate the help guys I'll let you know what the outcome is!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearin Reply with quote

Also, back off the clutch pedal adjustment before trying to install that engine (sounds like a new clutch/pressure plate).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing Reply with quote

I found a unused 200 diaphragm type pressure plate. I want to use it in my 1964 Type 3, which need the ring on the pressure plate.

Is it possible to buy a ring to convert my pressure plate to the old style?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing Reply with quote

Thank goodness for this site.... Question, I have 2 engines and 2 trans-axles, one engine is shot so I swapped to the other. Now I realize I have a mismatch - can I just swap the pressure plates? I have a 68 and a 70. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing Reply with quote

EddyWill wrote:
Thank goodness for this site.... Question, I have 2 engines and 2 trans-axles, one engine is shot so I swapped to the other. Now I realize I have a mismatch - can I just swap the pressure plates? I have a 68 and a 70. Thanks


Use the pressure plate from the "shot" engine, if that one worked fine.
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