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Lind
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 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Looks like a Brazilian bus. I am pretty sure we can dig up more 11 window Brazilian buses with corner windows. Also appears the front cargo door is barndoor like Brazil used. Would be a good candidate for a full 15 window conversion... I just opened the ad, it is in Brazil. |
It appears to be a German vin plate and an early dash. I would bet it is a German bus with corner windows added at a later date.
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EmpiGT
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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#3 on that list.. Turkis 1966 double door 21? I'm calling BS for sure on it being the real deal. |
I think it's the yellow one, wasn't that bus for sale on the east coast a few years back? I think it may well be a genuine doubledoor, although I remember some people being confused about the door handle indent or lack thereof on one pair of cargo doors. Maybe it was close to the transition. I forget what the m-code plate decoded as, or if that was even disclosed in the original ad. I think the bus needed a lot of rust repair, so I'm sure that was taken into consideration on what it was priced for as a done bus. |
so if it was pre indent are you saying its a 1964? If so that would jive with turkis as the color. But the year stated 1966 it doesn't. |
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55samba
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Lind wrote: |
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Looks like a Brazilian bus. I am pretty sure we can dig up more 11 window Brazilian buses with corner windows. Also appears the front cargo door is barndoor like Brazil used. Would be a good candidate for a full 15 window conversion... I just opened the ad, it is in Brazil. |
It appears to be a German vin plate and an early dash. I would bet it is a German bus with corner windows added at a later date. |
When did Brazil start building them from "kits". I think that is what they did but it is just form memory. I would agree the windows were likely added but I have seen more than one like this. I wonder if during the "kit" build they used deluxe rear corners? |
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EmpiGT
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| I would say the 1956 bus is pieced together later in life from a real german bus and a brazilian bus. Look at the weld accross the battery tray. And the crescent moon on the rear hatch, Something never offered by vw in 1956 anywhere. But early brazilian busses did have the pointed dash pods thru like 66? |
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EmpiGT
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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why do all this work and not go the extra half block to get it looking correct.
1966 converted to look like an early 15 window, they went thru and put early doglegs, outtie vents, early rear wheel openings, but no rocker, vent or bumper trim, no jail bars, late push button doors, 1967 gas flap no heater tube or splash pan, interior, bug wheels. so close but missed it with small details after doing major detail changes.
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EmpiGT
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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I don't think people are paying 150k even for a nicely restored correct 23 window these days. i could be wrong though. some of these people have deep pocket buyers with lots of rich buddies |
People who spend and sell belles for that kind of money don't generally broadcast what they got for them. One poor auction sale doesn't mean the market has fallen out.... |
I don't agree, I think since the boom on 23 windows, the market has been flooded with nice restored 23's real and fake that the market price is down. Probably 90 percent of nicely restored busses on the market are real of fake 23's. On the other hand since the market isn't flooded with nicely restored non 23 windows, so value is up on those. Same thing happened with muscle cars of the late 60's early 70's. next boom will be shorty panels and jersey lookers  I recently listed one and got tons of emails and actually sold it for more than asking. People don't like seeing the same old thing in every auction. |
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notchboy
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dawerks
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| chris henry wrote: |
I don't think people are paying 150k even for a nicely restored correct 23 window these days. i could be wrong though. some of these people have deep pocket buyers with lots of rich buddies |
People who spend and sell belles for that kind of money don't generally broadcast what they got for them. One poor auction sale doesn't mean the market has fallen out.... |
How about when someone posts 5 buses in the 100K range with one ad? Writing is on the wall, the market has fallen out.
(It doesn't help me to post this, as I'm trying to sell buses, but my buses have been well under market price forever, it should hurt the people wanting stupid money for their buses).
Also proof, 507 buses for sale, is this the most ever? Lots of reasonably priced buses up for sale now too. The overpriced junk should sit forever now. Also the Brazilian/S. Am buses are flooding up here and that's killing the market (I think that's a good thing too).
In other news; water is wet.
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easy e
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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333 buses on Samba in USA for sale... spread it out... on average (for rough perspective) ... about 7 per state.
Still seems like slim pickins if you're looking for something specific in your driving radius.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| easy e wrote: |
333 buses on Samba in USA for sale... spread it out... on average (for rough perspective) ... about 7 per state.
Still seems like slim pickins if you're looking for something specific in your driving radius. |
Yeah, I did a few searches setting dollar parameters and there isn't much there for under $30k that isn't a turd, a project or a less desirable model of bus. Market falling out does not mean deluxes selling for "just" $80k.
I do agree wth Dawerks that big money buyers are much more selective now that there are a lot more options than a few years ago since so many non VW people got into the business of restoring buses and the bevy of fakes out there. But correctly and nicely done buses are still hard to find and you would think are going for strong money.
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BulletBus
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1950927
Looks like I can forget about the og RSR Fuchs I had in mind for my bus. 
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Malokin Martin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Part of it may be the people that are left holding the bag of an "investment" that is worth considerably less than it was a short time ago. It's understandable... I would argue the market is stable if I was trying to sell something that's worth $50,000 less than it was 5 years ago. |
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campingbox 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Those sizes have always been super expensive.
Wonder what the mortgage payment on that deck is? $17,500/month? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Those sizes have always been super expensive.
Wonder what the mortgage payment on that deck is? $17,500/month? |
I was curious what that would be so maybe others are too.
$17,500/month on a 30 year mortgage is a $3.75M house
Although I doubt someone with that kind of house puts zero down so probably more like $4.5M.
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campingbox
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| campingbox wrote: |
Those sizes have always been super expensive.
Wonder what the mortgage payment on that deck is? $17,500/month? |
I was curious what that would be so maybe others are too.
$17,500/month on a 30 year mortgage is a $3.75M house
Although I doubt someone with that kind of house puts zero down so probably more like $4.5M. |
The Zillow ap tells me 4.5 is probably not enough for a house with a deck like that in that zip code. Maybe a condo. That deck does look small, so $17,500 might be about right. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Part of it may be the people that are left holding the bag of an "investment" that is worth considerably less than it was a short time ago. It's understandable... I would argue the market is stable if I was trying to sell something that's worth $50,000 less than it was 5 years ago. |
One could also argue that the idea that the market has collapsed is being made by people who want to get into a split or upgrade.
Granted it is all conjecture either way, the only people who probably really know are those who sell buses for a living and deal with high end buyers.
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Lind
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Part of it may be the people that are left holding the bag of an "investment" that is worth considerably less than it was a short time ago. It's understandable... I would argue the market is stable if I was trying to sell something that's worth $50,000 less than it was 5 years ago. |
One could also argue that the idea that the market has collapsed is being made by people who want to get into a split or upgrade.
Granted it is all conjecture either way, the only people who probably really know are those who sell buses for a living and deal with high end buyers. |
I wish the market would collapse.
In reality, there are many markets. Shiny buses, suvivor buses, patina buses, utter pile-o-shit project buses, etc. Each category has its own following. People here seem look to the high end shiny buses as the direction of the market, but the market for those buses is not generally people who hang out here in the forums or in the swap meet at VW shows.
I honestly don't know what split buses are worth anymore. I do know that people love to complain.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Hey! You started this thread!
In other news; buses are still selling.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Back in the 90 ' s I bought a set for 1500; sold them in 2001 for 5000
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