4 lug to wide 5

DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: 4 lug to wide 5

hello i have a 69 bug that has 4 lug on it........i would like to put the empi wide 5 rims on it.....how would i go about doing it.....how good do the adapters work? please give me your input

execk2 · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject:

It would be easier to change the drums to 5 wide. Cheap and easy!
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Glenn · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

66 front drums and Thing rear drums.
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DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject:

what is all involved in changing it? what year drums do you use

Glenn · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject:

DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject:

so any year thing drums will work....i need 66 front drums, wheel cylinders, hardware and shoes and backing plates....where can i find the backing plates at......

DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:04 am Post subject:

how good are adapters? do they space the wheel out any?

JonF · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:22 am Post subject:

Frankenbeetle · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

67 front drums should work as well right Glenn? Ball joint and wide 5...

Holy crap, DubBiNnOrCaL00, I thought all the bug addicts left SoCo when I did! How's Rodent Puke these days?
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DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

i was looking at these adapters from cip1 let me know what you think http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC%2DC10%2D6709

Frankenbeetle · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:14 am Post subject:

Don't use adapters. Unless you check them almost every day to make sure they're tight you'll run into the chance that your wheels will fly off when you're driving. It shouldn't be too hard to find the 66/67 front drums(if you can wait til April I'm heading down to SF on a trip and have an extra pair). The Thing rear drums could be a problem, but if you're serious about going to wide 5 do it the safe way not the cheap way.
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JonF · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:46 am Post subject:

useing adapters would be kind of like you trying to ware a pair of flip flops and a pair of boots at the sametime. yea you could do it but how long are you going to be able to walk around befor your feet hurt and you rub your toes raw.

you need to think about your safety. is it worth worrying about if and or when one of your wheels pops off? yea alot of people have used them with out any probs but it just isnt worth it in the long run. it would cost you more to fix your bug if one of the wheels was to come off or the head of the bolts get chewed so that you cant tighten or remove the adapters. do it right dont be cheap buy the right drums to do what you want to do!!
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DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject:

i would like to do it the right way.....no one gave me a good answer on what parts i need.....like what year thing drums for the rear and what year for the fronts.....what other parts do i need besides the drums?

JonF · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject:

DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject:

any idea where i can get the backing plates.......i can get all the other parts through my work for about 160 bucks.....thanks for all your input

Frankenbeetle · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject:

Just look in the classifieds here. Like I said before, I've got a set of backing plates.
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JonF · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject:

i am not a 100% sure but i think your stock bug backing plates will work unless the drums are a different circumference or depth.

the only difference i can think of is the early backing plates dose not have the hole in them to make brake adjustments. there is a hole in the face of the drums to make the brake adjustments instead. but that shouldnt be any prob.
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DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject:

now what about the bearings and seals......would i use the 66 bearings or the 69 bearings? same with the back would i use the 69's or the 73 thing bearings?

itlives · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

Hey <FiSh(( between me and you we ought to have the answer on the rears anyway. the way to go is get type III "s . Find typeIII backing plates from any year. Then buy new wide -5 drums for type III(they will fit). Voila! you're done! When locating the typeIII rears from a junk yard, buy the whole set-up , they cost me 50$ (including tax-Glenn). That way you'll have the springs you need.
For about $225 I got new wide-5 drums, new cylinders, new shoes, vintage larger typeIII backing plates, Also the parking brake cable fits like it should. Problem solved- on the back anyway! My 2 cents

DubBiNnOrCaL00 · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject:

i can get the type 3 drums, shoes. hardware, wheel cyl, from my work for about 100....... do i use the type 3 bearings and seals?


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