Deep oil sump?

nf6x · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: Deep oil sump?

I just got my 1969 Fastback a couple days ago. It's my first VW. It has a deep oil sump added on to the bottom of the engine. What are the pros and cons of the deep oil sump? I live on a rough dirt road, so if the deep sump isn't very beneficial I might take it off since it hangs down so low.

Air_Cooled_Nut · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

How deep it it? If it's one of those super deep sumps that's 3 inchs or more tall then yeah, take it off. That's only good for drag racing on big motors. If it's a 1.5 sump you can go either way. A stock motor doesn't need it. But if you drive hard and like taking corners hard then I would recommend keeping it.
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nf6x · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:43 am Post subject:

Here's a picture:

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Looks like one of the shorter ones, I guess. I do not plan to drive this car aggressively, except for freeway onramps of course.

DMNCLNR · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject:

Looking at the oil in that pic, you see one of the cons. I have one on my bus, and it is a bitch to get off and on. They tend to leak out of the top. I just replaced the top gasket, and it doesnt leak anymore. we will see how long that lasts. Another con if you live on a bumpy road is hitting it on a rock and cracking it. You will lose all your oil very fast.
Pros, obviously you can run more oil so the motor will run cooler.
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thevanillaninja · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject:

If you decide to keep it, I'd recommed taking a day to take it off and do it right. Make sure all the bolts are tight (all of them, especially connecting the two pieces of the pick-up.) Use copper sealant on all the bolts, it really helps keep down leaks, and it's not a bad idea to use the sealant between gaskets. I had one, but once we went to put it back on couldn't get it to fit up right so said forget. Haven't noticed any difference, honestly, except oil changes are cheaper (and a little easier.)
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nf6x · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject:

I think I'll probably take it off and put it on my trade list. How much are the things worth?

alex608 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject:

i just sold one for $20. the guy who bought it lived in the next town. the ad was only posted for 6 hrs.you may be able to get more for yours.i would rather sell cheap and get credit in my kharma bank than to sell stuff for outragous prices and sit on it forever.. just my .02cents worth
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Zarana-X · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject:

That looks like one of the Taiwan cheapies, which is a poor copy of the Gene Berg sump. The Taiwan ones will crack if you hit a waffle. I would suggest spending the extra for a Berg, Scat or CB Performance sump. For some reason CB made theirs take a special gasket, so Actually either the Berg or Scat. The new Empi 3.5 sump is OK, too. All of these sumps are stronger and are reinforced on the inside.
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Air_Cooled_Nut · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject:

karfer67 · Samba Member Joined: January 05, 2005 Posts: 713

i was thinking of doing this on my motor as well then talked to my mechanic about it. he said that no it does not make it run cooler. if anything it just takes longer to heat up because there is more of it but otherwise it is a cover up.
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nf6x · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:05 am Post subject:

I'm going to pull it off and use the stock configuration. It sounds like it doesn't buy me anything. No chance of hitting it on a rock? That sounds like somebody who lives on a paved road talking. Wink

I guess I'll be doing my first VW oil change soon! Are gasket and washer sets for the oil strainer cover usually available from the local auto parts chain stores, or will I need to order?

vdubman27 · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:

you could go to S.A.B for the gaskets but they might cost $20 if i remember thier pricing

67jason · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:21 am Post subject:

the sump will not allow you to run cooler. they do however provide extra oil capicity to help alliviate oil starvation when you are accelerating quickly or rounding corners quickly. alot of times builders will weld or braze the extension on the pick up tube so it reaches down to the sump. if that is the case you cant just take the sump off, you have to replace the pick up tube. sometimes the exensions are clamped on.

Air_Cooled_Nut · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:18 am Post subject:

nf6x · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:


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