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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Real 25hp distributor ? Reply with quote

Is that a real distributor for 25hp ?

I'm not expert but the arm seems different from real one no ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4639097790

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a real 383 to me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope.

Real 25 hp doesn't have the the oil ring groove. Ask for the date code off the bottom...
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand corrected... but it IS a real 383. Maybe mid 50's Porsche.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and given the seller id "a356guy" it probably is a P-dist. He says it "fits 1949-1953", true, but it was never used on a 25 hp VW engine.

I asked him for the date code via the eBay auction, but no reply.....yet.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Real 25 hp doesn't have the the oil ring groove.


Are you sure about that? My Oct. 51 split has the groove. It was parked in 62 with 120,000 miles on the odometer. The only things replaced on the motor were the regulator and the manifold. It has the Zwitter manifold and the regulator is the square black painted Bosch version so it is pretty original.
My distributor has the wire cap clamps. If it were a later replacement I would think that that it would of had the flat steel clips.
I have seen lot's of pictures of these distributors but only own the one, but I have seen many more with the groove than ones without it. I have always assumed that the earlier ones did not have the groove but that it was addes at some point during the production of the 25hp. I'll have to look it up in progressive refinements.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, and given the seller id "a356guy" it probably is a P-dist.

a356guy is the highest bidder at the moment, anyway this could confirm your idea (porsche part).
thanks, i will think about bidding or not bidding ...
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Real 25 hp doesn't have the the oil ring groove.


Are you sure about that? My Oct. 51 split has the groove. It was parked in 62 with 120,000 miles on the odometer. The only things replaced on the motor were the regulator and the manifold. It has the Zwitter manifold and the regulator is the square black painted Bosch version so it is pretty original.
My distributor has the wire cap clamps. If it were a later replacement I would think that that it would of had the flat steel clips.
I have seen lot's of pictures of these distributors but only own the one, but I have seen many more with the groove than ones without it. I have always assumed that the earlier ones did not have the groove but that it was addes at some point during the production of the 25hp. I'll have to look it up in progressive refinements.

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Simple quandry to answer: what is the date code on the bottom of your dist???
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, and given the seller id "a356guy" it probably is a P-dist.

a356guy is the highest bidder at the moment, anyway this could confirm your idea (porsche part).
thanks, i will think about bidding or not bidding ...


Oopps, you are right. Yes, it would explain why he is bidding. That dist (with the oil ring) was used in the P-cars until '54 or '55 I think....
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran into this with a 383 that I restored. John pointed out that mine had an o-ring and the 25hp ones did not. He also told me about the date code which is stamped on the base of the body. It's a 2 digit, number and letter which denote the manufacture date. Mine was a April 1956 distributor. After some additional research I found that Porsche continued to use the 383 on the 356 long after VW stopped.

So it will work and is a 383 distributor. But if you want to be really correct, it's not the right one for a VW.

Thanks John for teaching an old dog a new trick.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for you both, this will help me in my 383's quest Wink .

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That one sold for only $160. It looked in really nice shape and has a new German cap. It was worth more than that.

Someone got lucky.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is the syntax for the date code? I can make out a 50 but not the letter.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

splitjunkie wrote:
what is the syntax for the date code? I can make out a 50 but not the letter.

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John Henry emailed me this a while ago.
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As of March '51 Bosch began date coding all distributors at the bottom edge of the housing, with the same designations as their generators (see pic). Number for the month, letter for the year, with A at 1945. The letter I is skipped. A "4G" then is an April '51 manufacture. Distributor dates generally lead the manufacture date of the car they were installed in by 2-4 months.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Glenn,

I think it is 5J so May 53. You learn something new every day.
The car was serviced by Snider Motors in Knoxville from at least 58 to 61 and probably earlier. They were a VW and Porsche dealership so it would make sense that they would have acess to Porsche parts although according to progressive refinements the rubber seal was added in Nov. 52 chassis #1-0412 822.
The 30hp was not introduced until Dec. 53 chassis # 1-0575 415. So the rubber seal was used on the 25 hp but not until Nov. 52.

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: 25 hp dist. Reply with quote

you guys got me wondering whether my distributor is correct or not so i went to look for this date code and could not find it. i have a may 53 car with the original engine and the dist. has the oil groove. where exactly is the date code? pics maybe?

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the rubber seal was added in Nov. 52 chassis #1-0412 822 so yours should have the seal.

It is on the small part of the base before it goes into the engine. It is quite small and hard to find because that part of the distributor has the rough as cast finish and is painted.
You will most likely need to remove it and clean the base to be able to find it.
Just remove the nut that holds the distributor clamp to the case and remove the wire and cap and pull the whole thing out that way you will preserve your timing setting. Like Glenn said the date will most likely be several months earlier than your car.



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i probably wouldnt have ever found that. thanks for the pic now i am going out to look for it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actaully, they can be in a number of places. Here is the one on my earliest dist:

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Most I have found are on the lower sides, not the bottom as I erroneously stated previously.

Also, I was told that they only started doing this coding in '50 or '51, so it is likely that some earlies (no oil seal ring) have no code.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find odd is of the 6 or 7 383 distributors i'ver restored there's no rhime or reason for which have the wire style distributor cap clips and which have the solid ones.

Does anyone have any info on them?

For example this one came with the solid clips, but it has the early perferated ozone screen. It also has an o-ring so i'd assume it was a later one.
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But it also has the early large diameter capacitor.
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