Pope's Nose Tutorial Needed

[brezelfenster]

Now that I have wires going to my pope's nose (1950 standard), I have a license light. I don't seem to have a brake light. The more I read on various sites, the more I am confused.

Presently I have one bulb in a single bulb holder with a single-element base and bulb. I assume I am missing something/s. Should there be two bulbs that work independently? How many lenses are there? What color(s)? Is there a lense between the bulbs, assuming there are two bulbs? Or is there a dual filament bulb that brightens when the brake is applied, assuming the lights are already on? Maybe I have the wrong bulb holder, but it does seem to fit correctly.

There are two wires going to the pope's nose. Is that correct? And two wires go to the terminal on the bulb holder. My bulb holder looks like this: http://www.kaefer-nostalgie.com/electrical.htm #45. Can anyone tell me what I need? If this wandering narrative makes you as confused as it does me, I will try to post a picture tomorrow.


--David
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1970 beetle
1973 Thing

[steven wood]

You have two wires going to the pope nose light bracket. One goes to the brake light, the normal looking single element bulb. The other is a bullet shaped single element bulb, that is the tag light. I have a clear outer lens and a inner red lens. The inner red lense is smaller and is aluminated by the brake light bulb. This was a little confusion for me also, until I got all of the parts in my hands and started putting it all together.

[brezelfenster]

I'm starting to see how it all goes together. Found a source for the red lens. But who has the stop light bulb? My literature gives numbers F 6v 15W D1N72601 and VW# N17 716 1. Any leads?--David
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1970 beetle
1973 Thing

[steven wood]

I bought my stop light bulb from Shawn at Vintage Parts, PM me for his email address. It's the same bulb as in the taillights.

[nlorntson]

Is there a current source for the red portion of the lens (brakelight)? Can someone point me to it?

Thanks!

[mdvanderploeg]

I bought mine from Kaefer Nostalgie. As with most of their other repro parts, it didn't fit very well.

[nlorntson]

[mdvanderploeg]

No, I didn't take a picture, but I think once you have the piece, you'll see that there's only one way it can go in. With a little grinding, you can make it fit okay. It just doesn't seem like that should be necessary.

I didn't find another source, but that doesn't mean there isn't one......I ordered it from K-N with a bunch of other parts, so didn't really look very hard for an alternative.

That's probably the least helpful reply I've ever written!

[nlorntson]

[splitjunkie]

These are the ones that Zarwerks used to sell. This was from their website so I don't know how well they fit.

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[billmetric]

I'm embarassed/proud(?) to admit that I made my red brake lens from a busted taillight off a 2014 "VW Routan" (VWs former name for the late rebadged Chrysler Town and Country) it was cracked but still had a huge expanse of nice deep red plastic from which I cut out the correct shape lens and bent to final shape after warming with a heat gun, I got tired of all the incredibly thin and faded isinglass originals I usually see, I am fairly certain mine will remain deep red for much longer than the original ones did, and I feel good about recycling a broken Routan part into an actual VW
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[nlorntson]

Interesting idea Bill. I have a recycled Touareg taillight that might also work. I'm still not sure what piece I am missing or how it fits. I really need a picture.

[billmetric]

ok, assuming you have this piece: (oh wait thats from your gallery so thats a yes!)

the tubular license plate bulb sort of hangs over the top of the red lens and the larger brake light bulb shines thru the red lens which is installed under the nose piece, the whole thing has to be removed from car to insert the red lens, it sits at an angle inside there so the license bulb just lights up the plate without any red light and the larger bulb just shines thru the red lens piece, I have my nose held on with the lower 2 studs having regular nuts on them with the nose fully bolted down then the bulb holder goes on over the nuts with wing nuts only so you can change the bulbs without any tools, you can just see the angle of the red lens in this photo:

like the sugestions above you can make your own lens out of any red semi flexable plastic but even the store bought ones will likely require some grinding to fit, once the nose is back on the car that red lens isnt going anywhere as long as its anywhere near the right size and shape, heres another view from the back, the red lens fits against the upper curved lip piece of the nose assembly here:

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[nlorntson]

Eureka!

Now I understand. I actually have a bleached out, melted piece that looks much like that. I was wondering what it was for.

Thank you Bill for the picture and explanation. It is exactly what I needed!

[billmetric]

yep, bleached out melted piece of plastic, thats it!
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[johnshenry]

I used to make them years ago Nancy but stopped when I cut back and stopped making the low dollar stuff. Let me look and see if I still have the tooling. I do know that I bought a huge sheet of acrylic and have plenty left. I cut the flat shape with patter and a bandsaw, immerse what amounts to a bent coffee can into a pot of boiling water, then use tongs to lower it in and form it around the can. It was trial and error and I had to tweak it by softening areas again by dipping them in the boiling water, bending then dunking in cool water. I was proud that I figured out how to make them, but it was basically a PIA (the water had to be really boiling hard to work right) to make a $35 part, so I quit doing it. By test fitting each piece into a popes nose though, I could tweak and get a real nice, even fit. The pic above is mine.

I wouldn't mind making another few if you can't find anything. I have seen "NOS" ones a few times, but they are brittle and the color is usually faded.
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[nlorntson]

[Bruce]

[johnshenry]

[Hebster52]

I would also be happy for the pattern…

Oh, well.. Nevermind.. I did my own pattern already..

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