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benCarn
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I found something that works! 
A couple of sockets, stuck this upper in the vise, applied some pressure, then some heat, rapped it with a hammer - POP! Came right out.
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Haha....ouch. You got the arms off already, just take em to a shop and for a few buck they will pop em out and the new back in. Done. No more broken vices. Just a suggestion. 
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Q-Dog
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Years ago, I did the job with some large sockets, a couple of scraps of pipe and a hydraulic log splitter to apply the force. I don't remember all the details of how I managed it, but once I figured out the process it only took about an hour to do the 4.
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Vocho78
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Hi people, I´m about to replace the balljoints, tie rods and tie rod ends from my Sedan. I saw in the Haynes manual that you can use a small 2 jaw puller to remove tie rod ends.
Can I use it to pull the balljoints from the knuckles too?
Is there any other tools that I need for the removal of the other stuff?
I´ll take the arms to a shop just to get the balljoints pressed too.
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volksbug70
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vintagevwnut
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| Good luck with that press. I bent the rod on one like that into a s shape trying to install a balljoint, didnt get it done. Recently found a old school press made of cast iron with a 2'' shaft to push with, got lucky and got it cheap at a garage sale. The whole thing is taller than me, Im 5'5''. Havent got to use it just yet, but will be soon to build a beam for a club member. |
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JerryMCarter1
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heating crushes the rust
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cb77305
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: Replace ball joints |
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Loved the shot of the broken vise - a friend of mine did the same to my first "Tool Time" vise, so bought my next at HF. It's bigger, so it's still OK. I guess before I try using it on my ball joints I'll make sure HF has an even bigger one to replace it. Great shot of the setup with the two sockets. Thanks for posting that.
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pdivizzle0112
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| i just soaked mine in pb blaster then put them on a shop press and they popped right out... |
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flyboat
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I took the control arms out of the beam and took them to a local front end shop. It took the mechanic about 15 minutes to press out the old ones and press in the new ones - $20 well spent...  |
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cb77305
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| pdivizzle0112 wrote: |
| i just soaked mine in pb blaster then put them on a shop press and they popped right out... |
Mine have soaking in PBBlaster for about a month now, so come presstime it should go much easier.
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1967 Bug with fully balanced S/P1641
Restored battery pan & package tray
Handy access port through the package tray
Vac-advance distributor, oil temp gauge, voltmeter,
mechanical O/P gauge with 1/4" line.
Completed a 1600 S/P on a rollaway for tests. |
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vintagevwnut
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| Good luck with that press. I bent the rod on one like that into a s shape trying to install a balljoint, didnt get it done. Recently found a old school press made of cast iron with a 2'' shaft to push with, got lucky and got it cheap at a garage sale. The whole thing is taller than me, Im 5'5''. Havent got to use it just yet, but will be soon to build a beam for a club member. |
Old post, but I can say that my old school press pushed the balljoints in no problemo. Just used a apropriately sized socket on top and bottom.
To get balljoints out, I took a air chisel with the round tip poked holes in the center piece that is crimped in to hold the balljoint together. Then used the flat bit to cut between the holes till it fell out. Then took my die grinder and ground around the opening till it was open enough to drop out the plastic insert and the ball. Used the die grinder again to grind a slot in the housing of the ball joint till it cut all the way through (do not grind into the arm itself or youll weaken it) then the rest easily tapped out with a hammer and a medium punch. Ive done the weld on the inside as well, it works good also. |
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cb77305
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| To get balljoints out, I took a air chisel with the round tip poked holes in the center piece that is crimped in to hold the balljoint together. Then used the flat bit to cut between the holes till it fell out. Then took my die grinder and ground around the opening till it was open enough to drop out the plastic insert and the ball. Used the die grinder again to grind a slot in the housing of the ball joint till it cut all the way through (do not grind into the arm itself or youll weaken it) then the rest easily tapped out with a hammer and a medium punch. Ive done the weld on the inside as well, it works good also. |
I took my arms - after several weeks of PB Blaster application - to a local machine shop here in the Seattle area - Jerry's Northwest Connecting Rods (NWCR) - and he worked the magic. Wish I could've observed but had to go to work. He even cleaned and painted them - look really good. He's done all my engine machine work for 30 years - almost since his opening day. It's gonna be bad whenever he decides to retire.
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1967 Bug with fully balanced S/P1641
Restored battery pan & package tray
Handy access port through the package tray
Vac-advance distributor, oil temp gauge, voltmeter,
mechanical O/P gauge with 1/4" line.
Completed a 1600 S/P on a rollaway for tests. |
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swhitcomb
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cb77305
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| Just installed ball joints on my wife's Thing. I went to Advance Auto and borrowed this:http://www.amazon.com/Alltrade-648617-Master-U-Joint-Service/dp/B0028QGT86 - Has all the cups you'll need. |
Serves me right for not checking further than O'Reilly's here in the Pacific Northwest. One of the other chains - AutoZone, NAPA, CarQuest, etc. must have this tool. I ended up taking my spare arms to a machine shop here specializing in air-cooled VWs.
Meanwhile, I'm working on building some electronics that will use the points to trigger a solid-state switch - cutting the current through the points from 3 or 4 amps to 30 or 40 milliamps.
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Mike
1967 Bug with fully balanced S/P1641
Restored battery pan & package tray
Handy access port through the package tray
Vac-advance distributor, oil temp gauge, voltmeter,
mechanical O/P gauge with 1/4" line.
Completed a 1600 S/P on a rollaway for tests. |
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swhitcomb
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I powder coated them. Look really good, making them beam look really bad.
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JerryMCarter1
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Clear power coat the rim -- might as well get that used feeling
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Noasx250
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Easy Way |
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| There is an easier way to remove them. Any one with an Electric welder has the best tool made to remove ball joints. We have removed several hundred this way and always works great. Pulled a many bearing races the same way. See -> Ball Joint Removing <> http://www.1800vw.bizhosting.com/qa_balljointrem.htm |
Thanks for the link this method worked great. |
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cb77305
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| vicsvw wrote: |
| There is an easier way to remove them. Any one with an Electric welder has the best tool made to remove ball joints. We have removed several hundred this way and always works great. Pulled a many bearing races the same way. See -> Ball Joint Removing <> http://www.1800vw.bizhosting.com/qa_balljointrem.htm |
Thanks for the link this method worked great. |
Thanks also for including that website - fascinating place! I just spent the last 1/2-hour going back and forth through one "need help" after another. Spelling is not their strong suit but they really know what they're talking about.
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1967 Bug with fully balanced S/P1641
Restored battery pan & package tray
Handy access port through the package tray
Vac-advance distributor, oil temp gauge, voltmeter,
mechanical O/P gauge with 1/4" line.
Completed a 1600 S/P on a rollaway for tests. |
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yancyholden
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| This might be a stupid question but is it possible to remove a ball joint that was pressed in misaligned and then put it back in correctly? |
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pwmcguire
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I used this as well on my 66 beetle, it will take some time to find the right combination but it is all there. You may have to grind some ridges off of the control arm to square the cup up but its minor |
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